TURIA CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD, WE DON’T WANT TO BE MARGINALISED IN OUR OWN COUNTRY THANK YOU

Key refuses to back pro-Fiji Maori visit

May 04, 2009 09:40:38

The New Zealand government has refused to give its support to the Maori Party’s plans to send a team of Maori to Fiji.

Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia said on New Zealand’s TV ONE’s Q + A program, she wants to send a team of prominent Maori to Fiji to try to help the government, following Fiji’s suspension from the Pacific Islands Forum.

The team will include the Maori King Tuheitia Paki and Dr Pita Sharples, the Minister for Maori Affairs and co-leader of the Maori Party.

New Zealand Prime Minister John Key said the group could go as long as they were representing the Maori Party and not the government.

She has criticised the New Zealand government’s lack of tolerance towards Fiji, saying military Prime Minister Commodore Voreqe Bainimarama deserves a hearing.

Turia told Q+A that New Zealand’s harsh approach is wrong and isolating Fiji is not the answer.

“We’ve talked about this and we believe that there is a way forward and we should talking with Fiji rather than adopting the stance that we have,” Turia said.

She believes the way forward is sending a high powered Maori delegation to Fiji.

“Dr Sharples is very keen to look at how we might be able to use New Zealand leadership and the thought of Tumu Te Heuheu, the king, that maybe a very small delegation could go and talk with Bainimarama,” said Turia.

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44 Responses to “TURIA CLEAN UP YOUR OWN BACKYARD, WE DON’T WANT TO BE MARGINALISED IN OUR OWN COUNTRY THANK YOU”

  1. manasa tocemoe Says:

    no maoris to fiji! this guy we do not like. what’s your point in trying to talk to voreqe. if we in fiji cannot persuade him, (after all that he had done to our chiefs), there is no reasonable progress that can be made any further. no dialogue and no maori visit!

    its going to make a mockery of the system. bainimarama is trying to justify his actions after the fact to any dog that wishes to hear! if we in fiji do not trust him, what is the business of others here!

  2. Corruption Fighter Says:

    Sereana Qoro has a lot to explain. She says the Fosters shares were sold for $40million, but that was their book value before the devaluation! So how come FHL did not manage to get more for the sale if it was in Fiji dollars AFTER the devaluation?

    Anyone can check this out on the FHL website. In the 2008 Annual Report under the heading AVAILABLE-FOR-SALE FINANCIAL ASSETS, you can see Fosters Group Pacific Limited shares valued at $39,552,000

    The truth is probably that the shares were sold BEFORE the devaluation. This is something that Qoro has never been willing to admit. The thieves now running FHL sold the shares to make a $20 million non-refundable deposit for the purchase of BP SWP. This has fallen through but she is afraid to admit the truth because she fears the anger of Provincial Councils who are the owners of FHL.

  3. belena Says:

    @BL

    The two wrongs don’t make it right! Sereana Qoro has now put at great risk whatever was made by the previous Board and Management which at least earned considerable profit for the Company.

    The negativity in your comments show the type of attitude which has dragged this country downwards. Negative, negative, negative…

  4. belena Says:

    As for the Maori party leaders’ intended visit to have talks with the military dictatorship, they should just stay at home and not try and poke their noses into something they do not understand!

    Why not talk to the people first? The Maoris will then better understand the sufferings in the country.

  5. Tuks Says:

    Please somebody remind the Maori King and his people that their proposed visit to Fiji will be in every way totally disappoint their indigenous Fijian colleagues in Fiji and the world as the majority of them do not support Bainimarama in any way. Bainimarama is pushing a personal agenda which they must never entertain..They must be totally misinformed by some people in New Zealand. If they are serious about their Indigenous Rights, lo dont do anything to contradict yourself. The Fijian people will never forgive you for any support you render towards Bainimarama…

  6. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Oh well – so much for that!

    From TVNZ News:

    The Maori Party has canned a plan to visit Fiji to talk to coup leader Commodore Frank Bainimarama, Prime Minister John Key says.

    Maori Party co-leader Tariana Turia on Sunday showed sympathy to Fiji’s military government and said there had been “misunderstandings” about what it was trying to achieve.

    She raised the idea of sending a Maori delegation to the forum on TV One’s Q&A programme.

    Fellow co-leader Pita Sharples had advocated the idea and suggested taking Ngati Tuwharetoa chief Tumu te Heuheu and Maori King Tuheitia Paki, she said.

    “(The idea was) maybe a very small delegation that could go and talk with Bainimarama because I think that in a lot of ways there’s been a misunderstanding about what it is that he is trying to achieve.”

    But Key, speaking at his post-Cabinet press conference on Monday, says Sharples had decided it would be best for New Zealand if he did not go.

    “The Maori Party would like to see a successful resolution to the position in Fiji as would the Government,” he says.

    “They understand completely that it’s important New Zealand speaks with one voice. They are well intentioned, they would like to see a successful resolution.”

    New Zealand would continue dialogue via the Pacific Islands Forum, he says.

    Sharples had understood the importance of presenting a single government voice on Fiji, Key says.

    “He is not going to go unilaterally to Fiji.”

    Key says he invited Dr Sharples to travel to Pacific nations in July and expected to him to go.

    He would visit the Cook Islands, Niue, Samoa and Tonga and Dr Sharples would have the chance to talk to other Pacific leaders about Fiji.

    At midnight on Friday Fiji was suspended from the 16-nation Pacific Islands Forum. It was an unprecedented move for the forum, which takes a Pacific-style inclusive approach.

    Suspension came as a forum deadline lapsed for Cdre Bainimarama to set a date for democratic elections this year.

    Cdre Bainimarama took power in 2006. Last month after the Court of Appeal ruled his regime was illegal, the judiciary were sacked, the constitution dissolved and the date for elections moved further into the future.

  7. Bin Ladin Says:

    Do you have to delete my previous comments!. No wonder your propaganda is getting nowhere!. Idiots!. And you calling VB to restore democracy and freedom of speech!…..what a joke!.

  8. Jean d'Ark Says:

    BL

    I think SVW is the version of the SV exclusively for coup opponents.

    The attitude appears to be since spoilers like you and Budhau are just paid operatives of the FLP or FMF, then debates with you are not genuine debates with genuine people who have genuine concerns.

    Real debates would actually follow the course of the propositions established. That is not possible with paid spoilers who just stick to pre-determined positions in spite of any counter-arguments or perspectives raised.

    So it is not so much about free speech per se – it is about removing artificial contributions or those that try to monopolize editorial real-estate. You will often see newspaper editors declaring something like “no further correspondence on this issue will be entertained” or some such. It is a fairly is a normal editorial process in any media organization.

    Your harmless sleeper comments in the past managed to get your IP address out of the auto-deletion blacklist of known pests like Budhau. But now that you’ve been “activated”, I guess that’s the end of that.

    It’s okay though – you can still have your say on SV, or the Fiji Sun, if you want. I don’t mind arguing with Budhau and Co over there, so if you bring up a relevant issue that warrants commenting, we can have a dance, too!

  9. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Oh sorry – I forgot where I was!

    This is SV. (Too late at night I guess)

    Hmmm – wonder what happened to the editorial policy?

  10. Budhau Says:

    Ben Ladin, Budhau and anyone else who may disagree with you are just paid operatives of the FLP or FMF and debates with them are not genuine debates with genuine people who have genuine concerns. These guys should be banned.

    Yes I totally agree, that these blogs should just do way with these “paid” operatives, and I am sure Leweni would be doing the same back in Fiji, all those people who are SDL operatives should be banned – no more stories in the media. Didn’t he say that the Fiji Times has become a SDL mouthpiece, and maybe we can accuse Fraenkel of pushing the Australian government agenda and ban him also.

    ..and when we get a democratically government set up in Fiji, people like Ben Ladin, Budhau and others should be put on a blacklist, never allowed to return to Fiji – ever.

  11. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Not saying that you should be banned, Bud!

    If I thought that, I wouldn’t even bother with our regular “discussions” on this Blog.

    What I’m saying is that you should sometimes expect it if you are not a genuine participant, or if you try to do some of the things that normally get people censored out of the regular press. They don’t print every last “Letter to the Editor” there either.

    The decision to stop certain correspondence here is not mine since I am not a moderator on this Blog.

    But your crocodile tears about it don’t fool anyone for the exact same accusation you are making here – hypocrisy!

    Your regime is guilty of far worse in the real press as that is the property of the people, whereas the Freedom Blogs are more of a club for coup opponents.

  12. Asgrocky Says:

    Belena,
    Corruption Fighter now, he has healthy attitude me thinks, he analizes asks questions needs answers very good trait to posess hey?, analytical thinker problem solving is very good its the introverted complacent and go with the flow all the body thats the problem in fiji. it seems the opposite is good somebody start digging up some dirt is as negative is no good for fiji health. It seems he raise up good head you clout him get out. You can’t see too long.

  13. Budhau Says:

    Hey Jean,
    So who decides who “genuine participant”, or what normal do.
    BTW – there ain’t no crocodile tears here – I think it was a conscious decision earlier by Kutu, that as a matter of principle that he/she would not ban me while some others in that team tried. As for the SVW – I have not signed up with them, however, from what you have said, I guess I would be banned in there.

    So why don’t you point out at one one arguments that is “not normal” or when I may not be a “genuine participant”. If you look at what I have to say – most of you conclude that I am a coup proponent – however, if you look closely, I just shoot down the argument that someone is making.
    The regime in Fiji is not “my regime”.

    Look at the point you are making now – that the “my regime” is guilty of violating peoples right to free speech – thus, it may be OK if some of you also violated other folks rights – those who support the regime.

    I think the freedom blogs can deal with arguments from the other side – as long as folks do not abuse that freedom of speech by being disruptive – you don’t regulate the content of a persons speech (unless you have a compelling reason to do so), you regulate his/her conduct – and that regulation should be content-neutral – any one who is disruptive or uses profanity etc gets banned – regardless of whose side he is on.

    I like your above reasoning, that since “my regime” is doing it, that I should not be complaining. That is why I cannot understand why the American’s are so worried about water boarding etc as torture when those guys on the side routinely torture and behead people – hey, it can’t be that bad if the Americans could torture and behead a few of those buggers.

  14. George R Says:

    I don’t think banning anyone is a good idea unless the persons conduct is disruptive. Merely because we do not agree with the content of his/her post is not reason enough to ban someone. Banning should be content-neutral – anyone who is disruptive, regardless of what side of the argument is he coming from, can be banned.

  15. Budhau Says:

    testing

  16. Budhau Says:

    Hey, so you guys finally decided to ban me.
    You see, you don’t ban someone for the content of their post, you ban them for the conduct.
    I think Kutu had the testicular fortitude to go with with freedom of speech concept – mainly because he/she was confident that others in here here could counter any argument that I may have.

    Well, I guess I should now go present may case on the more mainstream media – where what I say may be more damaging to your cause.

  17. Budhau Says:

    did the ban work

  18. NadroKid Says:

    Yali tu mada Budhau! Moderator please sin bin him!

  19. Budhau Says:

    Nadrodude,

    You see guys, when you ban someone, you do not ban that person because of the content of his message, you ban folks for CONDUCT – not content. – use of profane language, of posting the same messages over and over and the like.

    BTW – I have no problem, you want to ban me – that is fine, that would be an admission on your part that I was kicking ass in here.

    That way – I give credit to Kutu – who did not kick me out when he was under pressure from his team – the ones who moved over to SVW – and of course and SVW they ban folks in there.

    NadroKid – you go back to SVW – and preach to the choir.

  20. Corruption Fighter Says:

    It looks like FHL have really bought a pig that’s stuck in some very sticky mud.

    Apparently, BP SWP is in deep doodoo over environmental matters in American Samoa. They’ve been ordered to begin self-monitoring of their storage tanks upon receipt of an order from the US EPA and will need to complete all
    rectification work by June 2010.

    Any violation of the terms of the order or discharge standards could subject BP South-West Pacific to a civil action and/or penalties of up to $37,500 per day of violation.

    You can read about it all here:

    http://yosemite.epa.gov/opa/admpress.nsf/0/F9F2A62BD74F5D108525758A00721546

    So not only have FHL paid too much. Not only have they bought tax liabilities in Fiji. They’ve also bought a whole environmental nightmare in American Samoa.

  21. Corruption Fighter Says:

    Bin Laden you fool. You parrot the accusations made by Thakur Ranjit Singh but it’s clear you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    What did the Class A shareholders do? You claim they grew rich, but how? Do you understand that?

    All they did was to put all their hard earned savings and loans from mortgaging their houses into EQUITY in FHL. Equity is what any business needs to be able to borrow so it can expand. In other words, they helped to build the FHL business and risked all they had to do it.

    Another accusation was that the Class A Shareholders somehow took over the company.

    Obviously the passive, Class B shareholders, were in a back seat position, which is just as well because most of the Provincial Councils haven’t got any more of a clue about business than you. Fortunately the Class B Shareholders didn’t realise that the Government was able to appoint a majority of the directors of the company on behalf of the Class B Shareholders.

    The Provinces were passive owners but the whole time they were beneficiaries of the equity contributed by the Class A shareholders. They got a nice secure income stream from the business built with equity contributed by others, not to mention astute management by people such as Qarase and Weleilakeba and, of course, Lyle Cupit.

    One final thing. I haven’t seen the Articles of Association of
    the Company, which set out the rules for its governance, but
    it seems that Class B Shareholders have a majority voice in
    appointing Directors, though this is done by the Government appointing Directors in their behalf. And where did the Equity to give them a right to have majority control come from? It came from the conversion of a debt to the government into equity held on behalf of Provincial Councils. In other words it was turned into the voting rights that enabled the Illegal Government to wrest control from the previous directors.

    I’ m assuming that you meant your (now deleted) comments in good faith Bin Laden. I just hope you understand enough of what I’ve just written to realise that you’ve got it all arse about.

    When the Provincial Councils realise that $20 million of their funds have been taken and thrown away on a stupid whim by the fools that the Illegal Government appointed, they are going to be furious.

    They may not understand it now, but they will. And they will be very angry indeed.

    @Asgrocky. Thanks for the kind words. I try to keep my postings focused on the things that matter. Unlike Budhau I have a day job that takes up a lot of my time.

  22. Corruption Fighter Says:

    Bin Laden you fool. You parrot the accusations made by Thakur Ranjit Singh but it’s clear you don’t have a clue what you’re talking about.

    What did the Class A shareholders do? You claim they grew rich, but how? Do you understand that?

    All they did was to put all their hard earned savings and loans from mortgaging their houses into EQUITY in FHL. Equity is what any business needs to be able to borrow so it can expand. In other words, they helped to build the FHL business and risked all they had to do it.

    Another accusation was that the Class A Shareholders somehow took over the company.

    Obviously the passive. Class B shareholders, were in a back seat position, which is just as well because most of the Provincial Councils haven’t got any more of a clue about business than you. Fortunately the Class B Shareholders didn’t realise that the Government was able to appoint a majority of the directors of the company on behalf of the Class B Shareholders.

    The Provinces were passive owners but the whole time they were beneficiaries of the equity contributed by the Class A shareholders. They got a nice secure income stream from the business built with equity contributed by others, not to mention astute management by people such as Qarase and Weleilakeba and, of course, Lyle Cupit.

    One final thing. I haven’t seen the Articles of Association of the Company, which set out the rules for its governance, but it seems that Class B Shareholders have a majority voice in appointing Directors, though this is done by the Government appointing Directors in their behalf. And where did the Equity to give them a right to have majority control come from? It came from the conversion of a debt to the government into equity held on behalf of Provincial Councils. In other words it was turned into the voting rights that enabled the Illegal Government to wrest control from the previous directors.

    I’ m assuming that you meant your (now deleted) comments in good faith Bin Laden. I just hope you understand enough of what I’ve just written to realise that you’ve got it all arse about.

    When the Provincial Councils realise that $20 million of their funds have been taken and thrown away on a stupid whim by the fools that the Illegal Government appointed, they are going to be furious.

    They may not understand it now, but they will. And they will be very angry indeed.

    @Asgrocky. Thanks for the kind words. I try to keep my postings focused on the things that matter. Unlike Budhau I have a day job that takes up a lot of my time.

  23. LUVfiji Says:

    Well.. well.. the Maori Party, with all its good intentions, have had a sudden change of heart.

    I rather liked NZ PM’s comment aired last night on Fiji TV News, in reminding them that they would have been visiting Bainimarama as Maoris and not as New Zealanders!

    Way to go Mr Keys!!

  24. Bin Ladin Says:

    @JD
    I always look forward to read your comments on this blog!. You’re one of the fare few who always put up constructive comments against this current regime!. I thought that your skin (kulina!) is quite thick to withstand any harmless sleeper comments coming to you via this blog!. Little did i know that the harless sleeper comments is starting to get under your kulina! (skin). You starting to loose your credibility by attempting to put your two cents piece on every 1 cent piece coming your way via this blog!. Please stick to what you good at!……with constructive comments which includes 40% facts and 60% guess work!.

  25. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Bud

    The ban is on SVW!

    You’ve always been free to comment here. BL’s comment was cut for some reason. Not sure why – but it shouldn’t come as too much of a surprise when it happens to faux contributors.

  26. Bin Ladin Says:

    faux contributors?……….c’mon JD, i thought you’re better than that bro!.

  27. Jean d'Ark Says:

    How?

    I am just describing what you are. Can’t do any more than that since that’s all there is to it.

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  29. Flo Jo Says:

    Call it quit Bin Ladin!. Unless you can back with anything constructive. As for Jean d’Ark, you have been a great contributor to this blog!. Please don’t allow small timer like Bin Ladin to get under your skin!. To make this blog interesting, I think it needs characters like Budhau and Bin Ladin on it though!. I know that this blog is set up for non-coup supporters and anti VB and the junta!. I’m sure we can handle a bit of a heat when Budhau, Bin Ladin, Relax man and co posted their piece in this blog!. As a spectator, it makes the game interesting!.

  30. Budhau Says:

    Hey Corruption Fighter, you seem to be knowledgeable about the FHL and all that.

    So what is the deal with Kadavu House – what was the scam, if any any, in the Kadavu House deal.

    As far banning people and speech – you don’t ban folks by looking at the content of what they post – you ban folks for their conduct.
    I don’t think that a site like SVW should ban folks like me, BL and others.
    ..and Jean cannot arbitrarity decide who is legit in here and who is not – it seem that for a while anyone who disagreed with folks in here – they were all paid by the military, and others who sounded like they may be an Indian – they were paid by the FLP.

    you go brother Ladin – you kicking ass.

  31. Corruption Fighter Says:

    @budhau

    There are questions to be asked about Kadavu House. Your plastic idol MPC had doubts about the probity of arrangements and it probably helped him to get the boot,

    I don’t know what the arrangements were that MPC questioned. I assume that some sort of rental deal helped underwrite the finance for the building. MPCs rejection of this deal may have been as questionable as the original approval in the first place. I don’t know.

    What is obvious now is that the filling of Kadavu House with government tenants has bought the words of support that Provincial Council gave to Dictatorship.

    I find that this is a worry and so should you. If the regime does succeed in buying a lot of Fijian support with these kinds of tactics, we’ll soon see how much his talk of a non- racial vision of Fiji lasts.

    Mark my words a brutal dictatorship will not hesitate to seize the assets of non-Fijians to buy the support the regime wants from the majority community.

  32. Budhau Says:

    CF – Kadavu House,
    I think you got a couple of facts incorrect – from what I know, the Qarase government had agreed to rent the property at 60% above the market rate – Chaudary came in and said “no can do” – made a deal to break that agreement – now they have new tenants – mostly the UN folks.

    I would be interesting to find out how much the new tenants are paying, as compared to what Qarase had agreed to pay.

    Here is what you should be worried about.

    Forget about MPC, what I wanted to know was that during the official opening of the Kadavu House a couple of weeks ago, it was reported that the Kadavu Provincial Council was now seeking legal counsel concerning the ownership status of the Kadavu Development Company.

    It was the Provincial Council that come up with the funds to set up Kadavu Development Company, Kadavu Development Company owns Kadavu Provincial Holdings that owns Kadavu House.

    So now the Kadavu Provincial Council will try and figure out who owns the Kadavu House – by getting some help from lawyers. Do you smell something in here.

    Now, your Chaudary angle – Da man knew WTF was going on here – that the Kadavu Provincial Council was used as a front by the Kadavu Holdings Limited, Kadavu Development Company and the SDL government to secure favourable treatment under the affirmative action programme, for the construction of the Kadavu House.

    Then there was the question of the long term lease, and the previous government had signed a deal to pay 60% above the going rate for the lease.

    When Chaudary made these allegations – Qarase started jumping up and down and made this into another of his racist arguments. – that Chaudary was totally ignorance of Fijian traditions and customs. That Chaudary had a personal agenda against Fijian business operators, wherever they were. (totally trying to divert attention away from some scam that was about to go public)

    So CF – I think someone like you can easily figure out what was going on. From what I see here and the pattern of behavior that we have seen during the SDL reign – I think the people of Kadavu were not gonna get shit out of this project.

    Now, you go find out the directors of the various entities involved and see what they were up to.

    You see how what Chaudary was doing would have helped the people of Kadavu and what Qarase was doing was going ballistic on Chaudary with this racist allegation and thrying to divert attention to another scam that would have ripped off the common Fijian people. BTW – why does the Provincial Council now need lawyers to figure out who owns what.

  33. Asgrocky Says:

    Interesting boys, very interesting.

  34. senijiale Says:

    Clearly Bud, u’re hinting at some big time swindling there. OK, so don’t keep us in suspense and let us in on who resides beneath that corporate veil, etc. Methinks you already know…

    Then again something tells me that whatever scandal there is, the goons are only going to compound it (like they did with the FH saga) ALL bcoz “it’s their God-given turn at the trough”.

    Meanwhile, the rest of us are the ones REALLY eating bele and rourou vakarakara… #*&^$!

  35. Corruption Fighter Says:

    @ Budhau

    I think where we differ is I like to know the facts and then develop opinions when I’m satisfied I have them, while you have all the opinions you need and then start looking for the facts.

    I said I don’t have a lot of facts about Kadavu House. You repeat the MPC line of “60 percent above the market rate” but give me a break here. Are you saying that the lease for government tenants specified “60 percent above the market rate” or MPC alleged that the rent agreed was what he would call 60 per cent above what he called the market rate? There’s a difference. Did the rental agreement actually specify “60 percent above market rate”?

    Now about the question of the incorporation of the Kadavu Development Company, I’m mystified. Ownership, if that is the issue, means equity and that means contribution of funds. Was this from the Provincial Council? Could be. I don’t know. Do you know Budhau? If you have facts, then please share them.

    What makes me suspicious is the sudden change in the support of the Kadavu Provincial Council for the dictatorship.

    You already have opinions, but as I’ve said already, you don’t need facts for those opinions. They seem to arrive fully formed, with vague hints of facts from the utterances of MPC.

    And one final thing. Why do you assume that a brutal regime that has no taste for democracy will not resort to rape and plunder of non-Fijians in order to win Fijian support?

  36. Asgrocky Says:

    “And one final thing. Why do you assume that a brutal regime that has no taste for democracy will not resort to rape and plunder of non-Fijians in order to win Fijian support?”

    Yeah, bhudau

    Why did you? A very desperate and dangerous statement to make. Do you

    see it happening or did you just “pull that one out of your head?”

  37. Budhau Says:

    Corruption Fighter, You wrote, “I think where we differ is I like to know the facts and then develop opinions when I’m satisfied I have them, while you have all the opinions you need and then start looking for the facts.”

    Here, CF, you have an opinion about me – why didn’t you ask me first whether in this particular case, if I had the facts before I formed an opinion.

    OK – let us get to the facts, You wrote, “I said I don’t have a lot of facts about Kadavu House. You repeat the MPC line of “60 percent above the market rate” but give me a break here. Are you saying that the lease for government tenants specified “60 percent above the market rate” or MPC alleged that the rent agreed was what he would call 60 per cent above what he called the market rate? There’s a difference. Did the rental agreement actually specify “60 percent above market rate”?”

    Here is the facts:
    The rental agreement was fixed at $28.12per sq ft VAT inclusive plus an additional $2.22 for cleaning and security.
    The Ministry of Finance called for an independent valuation which came up with rental at $15.76 per sq ft VAT inclusive and recommended that Government should provide its own security and cleaning service it would prove cheaper than that demanded by KHL.

    Now, you take these numbers and go figure – I came up with the 60% figure of the top of my head, since I remembered reading about this when the shit hit the fan last year.

    The interesting thing would be is the check what the new tenants are paying for the new lease that they just signed.

    Lets go to the next fact:
    The land on which Kadavu House stands was leased to KHL by the SDL government, without proper procedures being followed and without public advertisement calling for expressions of interests. The land in question is prime real estate and the State should have obtained the full market value for it. The land was leased for $45,000 per annum and a premium payment of only $200,000.

    Even this would be OK to give away that land and below market as part of the affirmative action programme to help the indigenous people. However, now it has come to light that the ownership of the building is in question. I am sure thatif SDL was still in power, this lease would have gone through and we would have never heard anything about this.

    Two weeks ago it was reported, “The Kadavu Provincial Council is now seeking legal counsel concerning their ownership status of the Kadavu Development Company.

    Former Council chair Ratu Josefa Nawalowalo says the issue of who owns the company is expected to be resolved at the next provincial council meeting.”

    You think I have my facts right, that there is a question about ownership that requires lawyers to figure out who owns what. Don’t you think the SDL folks should have done their due diligence before handing over this property and the loan.

    OK so I have shared the facts, based on that, it becomes your responsibility and those of good, honest people to get to the bottom of this. Who are the people behind this. I am sure that if I continued with my research, I will find some SDL boys who are behind this.

    You should be more interested in this the I – because someone was trying to rip off the Fijian people.

    My final point, when Chaudary as the Minister of Finance brought this up – Qarase jumped on Chaudary’s ass that he is “out to destroy indigenous Fijian businesses”. Qarase described Chaudhry’s accusations as total ignorance of Fijian traditions and customs.

    Asgrocky – I did not make that statement – CF incorrectly claims that this is my assumption. BTW CF, I do not make race based arguments – you seem to be doing exactly what Qarase did in the above Kadavu House case – take a legitimate issue and turn it into some racial crap.

    What does a scam – where some Fijian elite types who may have been ripping off some common Fijians gotta do with race – just because the person raising the issue may happen to be a non-Fijian, that he is racist.

  38. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Bud,

    You comment above was a real bust.

    As I read further and further into it, I got more and more interested.

    And then … nothing!

    Your argument just vanished into thin air. Not only did you not prove anything, you didn’t even say anything. The ownership issue is a big nothing too since all the PC’s have holding company’s through which they embark on their private enterprise ventures. You should have hear alarm bells ringing from the moment Nawalowalo’s name was mentioned.

    Reminds me of the same kind of empty accusations that duped the military into going on their waste-time Clean Up campaign in the first place.

    Its like that verse in Isaiah which says “We were pregnant, we writhed in labor, We gave birth, as it seems, only to wind”

  39. Budhau Says:

    Back in the good old days, when all those FHL shares were being bought, and the Kadavu Province had its $50K shares, while others formed companies and bought humongous amounts of shares – Konisi Yabaki was then the Chairman while Vitusagavulu was Secretary of Kadavu Development Company. It was reported in the Fiji media that both these guys and their family owned companies had bought in much more shares of FHL that the Province itself.

    But thats nothing – right, it can all be explained away.

  40. Jean d'Ark Says:

    Bud,

    It’s like trying to do connect the dots with only one dot.

    Did they even try to buy more in the first place?

    Did they lodge their loan application BEFORE Vitu and Yabaki, but somehow theirs got capped down while V & Y’s didn’t?

    Did KPC apply for more than V & Y? Did they have a better balance sheet that allowed them to apply for more?

    No-one can explain anything without knowing those and much more. And having evidence for it, too. Do you think that FICAC hasn’t been pouring through all these documents for years trying to find something to hang these guys on?

    You need to get a grip, Bud – you’re really just tilting at windmills here!

  41. Corruption Fighter Says:

    Thank you Budhau. So the lease named a specific dollar rental cost and THEN later the illegal Minister called for what he described as an ‘independent valuation’. No doubt it was as ‘independent’ as the examination of his tax affairs.

    If Chaudhry had doubts about the ownership of Kadavu Development Company he should have referred the matter to FICAC.

  42. Budhau Says:

    No corruption fighter – the lease was entered by the SDL government under the pretext of affirmative action.
    If you believe that the the rent valuation was not “independent” – why don;t you find out what the new tenants are paying.
    The matter was referred to the AG and FICAC.
    As per the tenancy agreement, rent was paid for six months and there was an “amicable resolution”.

    You still don;t get it, do you – that these Fijian elite have been ripping of the common man whether is Kadavu House or FHL or Ag scam or anyother scam that we have seen there is always a common theme – and set pattern of behavior.

  43. Dau Says:

    CF, Bud’s making you sound silly. Wise men speak because they have something to say. Fools speak because they have to Say something. No offence meant.

  44. epeli Says:

    What a punch! We all know that the Military IG is been investigating Mr Qarase and his Government for over 2 years with their “Clean up”bullshit and haven’t found any abuse of power,priviledges or criminal wrongdoing?
    This Budass bullshiter is definately Mahen’s kissass lackie and trying to stir-the pot and is doing a very stupid and blockhead job on this website.I say don’t talk or answer his comments and stop him from trying to make you sound stupid as well?

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