Elections not solution to problems says Dr. Durutalo. SV says we know that, but Elections allows the only lawful means for enacting laws in Fiji…

Bloggers, whilst we agree with Dr. Durutalo that Elections are not an end solution to the country’s problem, we still maintain that an elected Government together with a Parliament is the only legal means of enacting any law, which can address the country’s many problems! As for Dr. Durutalo’s claim that political conflicts have not been properly addressed since the 1987 coup and first needs to be addressed before Elections, SV respectively disagrees. For instance, the 1987 coup was instigated by the late Ratu Mara’s lust for absolute power. The 2000 coup was executed by George Speight through the instigation and support of unknown persons and the same with the Bainimarama 2006 coup. SV maintains that the only way we can effectively end the coup culture permanently in Fiji, is to appoint a Royal Commission to thoroughly investigate all coups beginning from Rabuka’s 1987 coup right up to the Bainimarama 2006 coup. The Commission is to be empowered to call witnesses, subpoena witnesses and documents, etc and have the power to recommend Pardons to those whom have fully disclosed the role they played, which can be substantiated by independent witnesses. It should hold public hearings, so everybody can attend and hear for themselves what these culprits have to say for themselves. Our point bloggers is to show that Elections will bring forward an elected Government, which can cause a Royal Commission to investigate the coup culture and recommend ways to permanently eradicate it, whilst continuing on with the day to day business of running Fiji.

Tuesday 30th September 2008.

Taken from / By: Google

A political scientist at the University of the South Pacific says – elections aren’t the end solution to the country’s problems.

Dr Alumita Durutalo was speaking at the Pacific Co-operation Foundation’s symposium currently held in New Zealand. She told the Tok-Talanoa symposium that in order to stabilize political governance in Melanesia, the roots of conflict must be resolved first.

Dr Alumita says in the case of Fiji, political conflicts haven’t been properly resolved since the first coup in 1987. She says instead of constantly pushing for elections, Australia and New Zealand could help Fiji more by assisting to establish good political, economic and social governance.

Apart from Dr Alumita former Cabinet Minister Kaliopate Tavola is also amongst speakers at the Tok-Talanoa NZ-Melanesia Symposium. Programme Manager Tina McNicholas says recent news events have made more New Zealanders curious about Fiji; and highlighted how little people know about Melanesia beyond Fiji. McNicholas says it’s Melanesia’s time to just talk about issues of concern which will in turn shape the future of the region. The Symposium ends today.

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30 Responses to “Elections not solution to problems says Dr. Durutalo. SV says we know that, but Elections allows the only lawful means for enacting laws in Fiji…”

  1. Keep The Faith Says:

    Tsk, tsk tsk Alumita.

    Another IIG supporter toeing the party line. She is after all an IIG appointed PSC Commissioner and of course one of those privy to Rishi Ram’s ears.

    Dr Brij Lal would, I’m sure, be horrified at an “et tu brute” act like this.

    Pray enlighten us Dr Durutalo as to how on earth, Aust & NZ can engage LEGALLY on good political, economic and social governance with an ILLEGAL Govt?

    How would taxpayers of Aust and NZ react to their Govts and such heinous approaches?

    It must surely be a new political science model because it sure as hell defeats common logic!

  2. Jese Waqalekaleka Says:

    Quite correct KTF and one wonders at Alumita’s moral fibre. It is one thing to be called a political scientist.

    Many of us hold degrees as well, but it is how you use it that determines what kind of professional we truely are? A professional without moral convictions or fibre is like an empty gong and makes a lot of noise.

    I feel Alumita is begining to sound like one…

  3. Billy Says:

    Give us something original to be worthy of PhD. So what is your solution? To last out the whole illegitimate regime until we have solved the root cause of coups from 87 to 06? Get real woman!! We all know that election is not an end in itself, but so are coups. An election is the only legitimate way to then go about investigating the root causes of conflicts and to separate the truth from the bull. Obvious lack of moral principles here, knowledge without wisdom is more dangerous.

  4. Save the Sheep Says:

    Agree with all this. Very nice post indeed.

    Some people just DONT GET IT.

  5. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    Yes, S t S, hairyarse certainly doesn’t get it.

    How can he preach about illegal acts when he is guilty of the most heinous crime of treason.

    “”””Interim Attorney-General and Minister for Justice, Mr Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum has warned businesses against using Fiji’s Coat of Arms without proper authorisation.

    Mr Sayed-Khaiyum said using it is a criminal offence.
    “”””

  6. Tim Says:

    Of course the roots of conflict havn’t been resolved. That requires a representative government. The roots of conflict still havn’t been resolved in NZ or Australia, Sth Africa or a number of other countries either. Any road to reconciliation and progress would take a huge step backwards should there be coups in those nations. They don’t ever get resolved by self-appointed holier-than-thou, paternalisitc, we-know-best pillocks seizing control without any sort of mandate – that’s the sort of thing that causes conflict in the first place and can only ever provide the appearance of a solution – a very short term one at that!.

  7. Tim Says:

    Yippe-I-Aye feels he hasn’t had enough publicity lately – he needs to keep his profile up. Watch him try and bury it though when he eventually loses illegitimate power. You won’t see him for dust

  8. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    Silly hairyarse has now admitted that he doesn’t know what the laws of Fiji are; most likely he hasn’t read them.

    “”””THE interim Attorney General confirmed this afternoon, that there are no legislations to stop Digicel from using the Fiji Flag in its sim-cards.

    Aiyaz Sayed-Kaiyum told One National News, that he was wrongly informed of the use of the Coat of Arms on the sim-cards, which resulted in his comments on One National News last night.””

    Someone should also point out to him that he was wrongly informed about being involved in a treasonous act; I bet no one told him that their are fatal consequences for breaking this particular law.

  9. Tui Says:

    Another “political scientist’ out of USP not using her common sense. It may not be the best system but it is the only one we have. You have to impress on citizens the fundamentals of a free and democratic society such as the rule of law. People have to follow the rules of the game and not change the “goal posts” whenever it suits them. Period!
    No amount of academic mumbo jumbo and legal jargons to confuse and dazzle the average citizen of this country will change the fact that the coup was illegal. Period!
    Sorry Alumita, you have lost this one big time.
    A fjian saying comes to mind, “era sa vuli ia era sa yalowai ga.”
    Literally means, “they may be educated, but they are still unwise.”

    Meanwhile hairyarse says its okay to use the Fiji flag, from Fijilive:

    No Action Against Digicel
    Publish date/time: 30/09/2008 [15:54]

    The interim government will not take any action against Digicel after certain reports claimed that the new mobile phone operator was planning to use the Fiji Coat of Arms on their recharge cards.

    Interim Attorney General, Aiyaz Sayed-Khaiyum today confirmed that Digicel is using the Fiji flag and the interim government does not have any problems with that.
    WTF was all that huffing and puffing about last nite on Fiji One?
    Sa levu ga na viavia tera tiko qai calacala tiko. Na boci ga na boci!

  10. Tim Says:

    EfT: Its tempting to be a little “base” when we hear the likes of Kaihyum, Durutalo and a few others but they should rest assued that their bodily functions can be just as unpleasant as the “lowliest” peasant. Some might be endowed by a superior education and have had better opportunities in life but it still doesn’t provide them with any better right to decide on governance of self-determinative rights.

  11. Tim Says:

    Any by the way, I’m glad RFN has come to realise that Driti’s shit can be just as offensive to the nostrils as Frank’s or Kaihyum’s or Shameens

  12. Tim Says:

    Well I’m reminded of one or two things. Oscar Wilde maybe? “Never let your schooling interfere with your education” firstly, and secondly way back in the 70s handing a recently graduated and highly qualified student a shovel to help prepare a hangi. It was a sad sight to witness.

  13. Ablaze Says:

    Who is this Alumita Durutalo? Is she stupid or what? Man this gang just don’t get it! They spit out stupid stuff as if they never had an education. It is plain common sense why there is a need for a quick election. Fiji is no exception to any other democratic nation and “democracy” calls for a competitive election, then an elected Govt to rule for us chosen by the people.

    We don’t want you because you forced your way in with the help of your guns. This means that everything you do is illegal. To make it more simple for you Mita Mita Sika, if we could we would have come in there, shoot the lot of you and ask Aust, NZ, USA, EU, United Nation and anyone else to help us prepare for an election. While we wait and prepare for elections we would bring back Qarase’s elected Govt. You see its that simple Mita Mita Sika!

    Thanks SV for reminding us again! Yeah Mara is the instigator – lust for power. He sure built the nation and did wonderful things during his time but the nation went backwards once he joined Rabuka’s Council of Ministers after the 1987 Coup. Before that Fiji was the jewel of the Pacific so come on people Rabuka, Mara and others may have gotten away with it then, enabling Rabuka, (Rerevaka Na Kalou Ka Doka Na Tui bloody hypocrite as if we don’t know what that means) to become Fiji’s Prime Minister. We will fight for this never to happen again. The ball is in your court Mita Mita Sika, “Elections or Martial Law” the choice is yours.

    Neh neh neh neh lamu sona! Why don’t you and Bai declare Martial Law? Martial Law will give you the freedom to put into practice the charter farter, you don’t have to answer to anyone. You can also take your time to carry out without opposition your bullshit, clean up campaign, pick up anyone that you believe is corrupt and put them in jail. Lamu sona because the reprecussions, then the country we love so much with be just a tin pot country and no one will be bothered with you lot. Investments, tourism etc.

    Who are you going to impress then?

    We are not stupid so don’t treat us as such, we want you to declare Martial Law, so that we can put the blame on you and then maybe your supporters may finally realize what a lot of wankers you all are.

  14. Midjikai Says:

    Alumita, the way things are happening in Fiji ( IG abuses and all ) you would still be trying to identify and understand your political problems when the country is bankrupt, kaput, finito!!!

    So get real !!!

  15. newsfiji Says:

    Okay, let’s just do a brief on what happened with the Digicel “Coat of Arms” Saga by Smart Arse Kaiyum..

    Last night on National Television, Raboci smartly threatens criminal action against Digicel…tonight…alas…this:

    THE interim Attorney General confirmed this afternoon, that there are no legislations to stop Digicel from using the Fiji Flag in its sim-cards. Aiyaz Sayed-Kaiyum told One National News, that he was wrongly informed of the use of the Coat of Arms on the sim-cards, which resulted in his comments on One National News last night. Sayed-Khaiyum says, there are currently no legislations to prohibit the use of the Fiji Flag for commercial purposes.

    Luveni Boci (please excuse the language everyone) – blerry go back to school – ca gona qori na acting on rumours! Bloody blockhead!

    “wrongly informed” – fukcing get your facts right before you blerry smart arsely go and fax a letter to the CEO of Digicel…

    Oh and don’t you dare go and watch the concert tomorrow night…coz it’s the opportune time to pot you with tomatoes & eggs..

    Mag$*@)($@)!

  16. newsfiji Says:

    Qori…just like the action to take over an elected goverment was based on non substantiated facts…you’re all carrying on in that same manner…you bloody hear one story..next thing someone gets the boot…

    Dou yavu BLOCK HEAD!

  17. Adi Kaila Says:

    honestly that damned aiarse thinks because he’s a lawyer that it makes him an expert on everything – ignoramus like his momo bipolar piggy.

  18. Nostradamus Says:

    And Alumita teaches political science at USP?
    What kind of political science is a military coup?
    Perhaps she is thinking of Machiavelli, but that was a long time “backwards”.

  19. spiderman Says:

    The following article by Aisake Casimira was published in the Fiji Sun sometime in February 2007…. read on, sounds very familiar to Alumita.

    “Democracy in many disguises-Sham or genuine, the demand for a quick return to democracy solution – By Aisake Casimira

    One of the predominant, if not central demands made of the interim government since the military ousted the Qarase government on the 5th of December 2006, was the “quick return to democracy” and, in the same breath “show us the road map to democracy”.

    This demand was made not only by some local NGOs, lawyers, political parties and ousted politicians, but also from governments, organisations and NGOs outside the border. From Fiji’s closest neighbours – the Australian and New Zealand governments – to the farthest of governments and organisations – the US, EU, the Commonwealth, and at least one Human Rights organisation in the US have being singing the same tune.

    From their point of view, it makes ‘democratic’ sense to legitimately re-establish ‘overnight majority rule’. This will ensure the resumption of bilateral aid, the release of project grants, the restoration of investor confidence and, hence, hasten economic recovery.

    But, in a developing country like Fiji, it is not as simple as what these governments and organisations assumed. The “quick return to democracy” solution, in the form of holding general elections, for example, barely one year after the 1987 and 2000 coups respectively, if any thing, did not solve much of Fiji’s governance problems.

    Rather, it left many issues unattended, in particular, the assessment of whether it was wise to pursue democracy at the same time that it was adopting a free market economic model.

    One thing to note in this regard, as Amy Chua (2004:195) says, is that none of the western countries, including Australia and New Zealand ever adopted or implemented democracy and the free market or laissez-faire economic model at the same time.

    [Chua](ibid) added that what helped these countries to implement democracy gradually (and not overnight, although overnight democracy is what has been touted by the western countries around the world through conditions on aid, objectives of governmental funding agencies and through bilateral and multilateral trade agreements), was the strong social welfare system they had.

    This helped to cushion the worst impacts of the free market. The argument of the interim government, however, is that once the tasks set before them by the President – to review the electoral system, conduct the national census, revive the economy, etc – are achieved, then general elections can then be held.

    The intention to care for the worst off in our society, the low income earners and the needy may not only be a necessary policy choice but may also be a wise one. If, in the meantime ‘democracy’ is suspended so as to ensure a stronger ‘democratic’ foundation for the future, then pursuing free market policies as well as solidifying and expanding our social welfare schemes may make a lot of sense, than simply a “quick return to democracy” with little substance to the process, with a weak social welfare system to cushion the impact of the free market.

    The triumphalism view of the governments of New Zealand, Australia and the EU about democracy and their near fanatic insistence on a “quick return to democracy” solution rests in part on a certain hypocrisy. If universal suffrage were a reality rather than a sham, one might wonder whether most of today’s professed free marketeers, foreign investors and international financial organisations would be supporting it.

    Indeed, even today, there are many within these countries and international organisations who, at the first sign of a possible trade-off between the free market and genuine democracy, make it clear that their first commitment is to the former.

    A clear example of this is the New Zealand government’s recent commitment to continue talks with Fiji on the free trade agenda. Moreover, as one US economist said just after Venezuela’s democratically elected president Hugo Chavez was deposed in a military coup (and before he was reinstated), “Democracy is not necessarily the most efficient form of government.

    It is better to be an open advocate of the priorities of the free market, (note here New Zealand’s ‘no problem attitude’ on continuing free trade talks with Fiji), than to be a self-congratulatory advocate of sham democracy.”

    The difficulty that Australia, New Zealand and the EU seem to have with a genuine commitment to majority rule in Fiji is that genuine democracy could produce anti-market results such as justice, fairness and the application of democratic principles to the conduct of free trade and the free market, and the engendering of ethnic harmony in countries that have experienced ethnic tensions and violence in the past such as Fiji.

    Instead, one would suspect that what New Zealand and Australian governments, in particular, really want by their call for a ‘quick return to democracy’ is sham democracy. Far from committing themselves to helping and assisting Fiji (and the Pacific Island countries) develop a genuine democratisation process, they seem to advocate a kind of democracy that will not interfere with their free market agenda and one that encourages ethnic dislike.

    Being Fiji’s closest western neighbours, one would expect that Australia and New Zealand governments would have learned the lessons of history and not promote overnight majority rule (a form of democracy that even they have repudiated a long time ago) by their demand for a “quick return to democracy”.

    Their assessment should have taught them that what is needed is their help in assisting Fiji (and the Pacific Island countries) to rethink the democratisation process over the past 2 or 3 decades. If genuine democracy and the free market are to be peacefully sustained and mutually beneficial, the process of democratisation cannot be reduced to carting ballot boxes and voting in national elections.

    It has to mean more than overnight democracy, majority rule or merely freedom to vote and elect governments, although these are necessary factors. These countries seem to forget that there are many different models of democracy, even among themselves. Democracy can vary along a large number of axes: for example, the U.S style presidentialism versus the U.K style parliamentarism; first past the post electoral systems versus proportional representation; bottom up democratisation (starting with local village elections) versus top-down democratisation (starting with national, presidential elections).

    These different versions of democracy can have significantly different effects on how the Pacific Islands govern themselves and their politics. The western countries one-sided view of democracy is quite revealing in the case of China. While China is fundamentally autocratic at the national level and has a bad human rights record, it has, according to politics professor, Minxin Pei (1998:68), been undergoing political reforms since the 1980s that are not even known to most western countries.

    These political reforms have far reaching effects. He went on to add that throughout China, there are semi-open local village elections, which despite their limitations, offered a nontrivial measure of political participation, and more critically, legitimate competitive elections as an important part of the political process (ibid).

    But the reason, says Minxin Pei, why these and other reforms happening at the local and national levels went unnoticed by the western countries is because their “… politicians and news media measure the progress of political reforms in other countries against a single yardstick – the holding of free and open elections at the national level.” (ibid) Indeed, democracy comes in many guises and it maybe neither the pakeha nor the kaivalagi’s road map to democracy that Fiji needs but one that is born out of the learnings of her recent and past experiences, however limited and ‘un-western-like’ it may be.”

  20. at least Says:

    Hey this same Alumita was the one Frank said to go and drink Homebrew under the mango tree..Remember!! i think she just woke up from being knocked out..bera vakalevu sa da toso makawa tu i liu sa qai yadra mai na noka o la qo..Sega ni macala na taba ni maqo cava e vakamoceri koya tu me sa qai yadra tu mai kina qori…Me sa tukuni ga vua me sa lako ga ki vale relax tu mada and spare her speeches for her grannys….Oh PHD- Porn Her Da….lol

  21. Jone Says:

    The result of a long drawn out coup is what we are witnessing now. People are beginning to get comfortable with the idea and this 2 year coup is looking like it will be around for another 13 years. The sooner someone does something to end it now the better. Just look at those names proposed yesterday to join ranks with Bainimarama.

  22. Mark Manning Says:

    I think a good point here regarding Democracy and the rule of Law is , that those responsible for the various Human Rights Violations , crimes against Humanity and the various murders of Fijian citizens by the disciplined Services such as the Military and Police Service , would , under a Democratically Elected Government , have been brought to justice by now .
    How tragic for those grieving families to know that not only have their family been murdered etc. but by their own kind !

  23. Mark Manning Says:

    By the way , you guys have 1 soldier per 200 citizens . Australia has 1 soldier per 400 citizens !
    So you have no enemies ( apart from the soldiers themselves ) yet twice as many soldiers !

  24. Peace Pipe Says:

    I cannot comprehend the thinking of these people that election is not the answer to our probelems. I think they know it is the solution but try to use their intellectual faculty to try and change our perception on this as a propaganda tool for the IG.

    So I ask the suposedly smart Dr Durutalo is the solution to our problems constant coups, military rules and dictatorships. Please don’t insult our intelligence.

    These people keep refering to the 1987 and 200 coups as cause and root of the problems. I think they say this as a justification for this one. Thats the trouble when we keep looking backwards we will always remain in the past and have no qualms repeating it.

    By the way how do this apolgist Dr get to NZ when she is part of this illegal regime? She may have falsified her visa application form or is she a PR of NZ or probably not on the watch out for “list”.

  25. Tui Says:

    BTW,
    Is this Aisake Casimira with ECREA? This is the same crowd that is going around “helping” squatters yet demanding money for their services! Like their bipolar leader, they have no shame, no morals and are surviving on the backs of the poor and down-trodden in society. Bleary hypocrites!

  26. Striker Says:

    I agree we first need to remove the roots of our political problem. Lets start with removing the military. I bet you there will be no coups thereafter. As to matters concerning race, God gave us color, culture, our land and tradition; we must not sacrifice these at the altar of political convenience. As to airee arsey kumbuyum, the less said the better.

  27. Mark Manning Says:

    What , one may ask , is the motivation behind those trying to avoid installing a Democratically Elected Government or returning Mr Qarase’s Government ?
    Simply this , the fear of being tried for treason against the State and the citizens of Fiji .
    There simply is no incentive for this regime and it’s supporters , to return to the Rule of Law !

  28. Tui Says:

    Thanks IB. Bera vakalailai noqu news.
    I first heard about Casimira’s money making scheme from other NGO colleagues. These are the caliber of people in the CAC,aka, Coup Apologist Camp. It just gets worse people. From con men like Foster and Dame Jimmy to big-time namu like Jo Nawawalevu and $50 man, alcoholic Rev Whisky and marble eye Pol Pot Commish, no wonder the country is f&*#@dup!

  29. Jese Waqalekaleka Says:

    @ my Tau IslandBoy,

    these so called professionals are truley dispicable. Imagine, being former people of the cloth, one would have thought they knew right from wrong, but it just goes to show, when push comes to shove, we truly reveal our character.

    Sa dina na vosa ya: Actions speak louder than words.

  30. Cama Says:

    “Vuli ga tawa sukulu” meaning that she went to school but was not educated.

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