Open dialogue then what?

Bainimarama’s dialogue with Qarase is a positive sign and we hope this is an opportunity to resolve the political impasse.

 

Qarase, Beddoes and the NFP’s meeting last week indicate the dialogue had been known beforehand.

 

Bainimarama’s instigating this dialogue concedes an admission, that the IG cannot deliver on its claims in conducting the coup and now needs the assistance of Qarase, Beddoes & the NFP to absolve it out of its quagmire of illegality.

 

There are still many difficult obstacles ahead, which they need to tread prudently and decide wisely upon, otherwise Qarase, Beddoes and the NFP may receive a backlash from its supporters resulting in the formation of new political parties.

 

I have maintained all along, that the only means to permanently eradicate the coup culture in Fiji is to hold people accountable for their illegal actions and bring them to justice, but I stand to be corrected.

 

Roko Tui Bau offers a pragmatic solution, which is granting immunity to the Military.

 

Beddoes expands that immunity be applied across the board to include Speight and his men, but to have conditions excluding those Military personnel involved in serious crimes against humanity.

 

Jokapeci Koroi of the FLP opposes Beddoes’ inclusion of Speight and his men, from immunity.

 

We should recall, that Qarase after his Wellington talks with Bainimarama in November 2006 capitulated to over 95% of Bainimarama’s demands, including terminating all pending legal investigations against Bainimarama, yet he still went ahead and executed his coup.

 

Qarase’s comments concerning Bainimarama’s mental state then said ‘we are dealing with somebody completely deranged and unstable, so that is part of the problem.’

 

I ask, what has improved with Bainimarama’s mental state, over these 18 months that makes him competent and reliable to deal with?

 

It is my view, that immunity does not address the issue perpetuating the ‘coup culture’ and if too hastily accepted as the only ‘pragmatic solution’ then it may amount to a wrongful diagnosed ‘band-aid’ solution to more serious medical procedure requiring ‘staples’.

 

Tui Savu.

Lawyer.

Townsville. QLD.

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32 Responses to “Open dialogue then what?”

  1. Taukei Says:

    Getting to Know the IG Enemy Better

    Art of War by SunTzu [SunZi]:

    “17. Thus we may know that there are five essentials for victory:

    (1) He will win who knows when to fight and when not to fight.

    (2) He will win who knows how to handle both superior and inferior forces.

    (3) He will win whose army is animated by the same spirit throughout all its ranks.

    (4) He will win who, prepared himself, waits to take the enemy unprepared.

    (5) He will win who has military capacity and is not interfered with by the sovereign.

    18. Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.”

    http://www.chinapage.com/sunzi-e.html

  2. Taukei Says:

    Sun Tzu and Clausewitz

    Sun Tzu said: “Know the enemy and know yourself; in a hundred battles you will never be in peril. When you are ignorant of the enemy but know yourself, your chances of winning or losing are equal. If ignorant both of your enemy and of yourself, you are certain in every battle to be in peril.”

    This deceptively simple instruction, properly applied, is at the essence both of making a sound decision to go to war and of strategic and tactical planning once that decision has been made. Clausewitz further developed this instruction. The purpose of this essay is to apply Sun Tzu’s instruction, drawing on similar principles as articulated by Clausewitz, to determine what, in the modern era, knowing oneself and one’s enemy requires at the national strategy, national military, and operational levels.

    In Vietnam and Somalia, the United States let itself get into situations where it knew neither itself nor the enemy, while in Desert Storm, they succeeded because they knew both.

    NATIONAL STRATEGIC LEVEL

    Sun Tzu instructs us that in order to succeed one must know oneself and one’s enemy. This dictum is reflected in Clausewitz’s statement that “War is thus an act of force to compel our enemy to do our will.”

    To accomplish the purpose of war, then, we must know both our own will and how to compel our enemy.

    The will of a nation is a complex matter. While never completely “knowable,” the will of one’s own nation can perhaps be best ascertained by seeking to understand who we are as a nation. Is the nation, for example, poor or wealthy? Do it have commonly shared beliefs from which interests logically derive? How are those interests defined? What costs and risks is the nation willing to accept to attain its interests? Within the picture formed by its defined interests, can it also define a specific set of objectives with respect to the subject of the conflict? The necessity of
    defining these objectives is highlighted by Clausewitz:

    “No one starts a war — or rather, no one in his senses ought to do so — without first being clear in his mind what he intends to achieve by that war and how he intends to conduct it. The former is its political purpose; the latter its operational objective.”

    But even if objectives are identified, these objectives must be translated by the political leadership into a corresponding national will. If the objectives cannot be or are not translated into a national will, then the nation will lack the moral strength and staying power to make another nation comply with its will. This requires determined and clear-headed thinking at the level of political leadership — where “will” is politically determined. If interests and objectives are not clear, and if no national will can be identified or created, a realistic self assessment would lead to the conclusion that embarking on war is foolhardy. If, on the other hand, the interests and objectives are
    clarified, and national will is identified or created, then the nation has a reasonable chance of success.

    As stated by Sun Tzu, however, knowing only yourself does not ensure victory. The enemy must also be known.

    While Sun Tzu identified the need to know the enemy, the assessments
    prescribed focused largely on the enemy’s military capability. Clausewitz was more specific regarding the knowledge of the enemy required and also added the critical factor of the enemy’s will:

    If you want to overcome your enemy you must match your effort against his power of resistance, which can be expressed as the product of two inseparable factors, viz. the total means at his disposal and the strength of his will. The extent of the means at his disposal is a matter — through not exclusively — of figures, and should be measurable. But the strength of his will is much less easy to determine and can only be gauged approximately by the strength of the motive animating it.

    Since the purpose of war is to compel the enemy to do one’s will, almost certainly not in a manner not considered to be in the enemy’s interests, the purpose of war cannot be effectively attained without a clear idea of what it will take to compel that nation.

    Can economic or diplomatic action compel the enemy to do one’s will? If not, what level of military action will be sufficient to compel them? Will, for example, a limited show of force be sufficient to compel them or are they prepared to fight indefinitely with an indefinite set of losses? Such knowledge of the enemy would facilitate the development of national political objectives that are more likely to be attainable at a
    reasonably understood level of cost.

  3. Taukei Says:

    KNOWING THE ENEMY

    “The technology of war may change, but the nature of war is immutable. Wisdom passed down from the ancient masters can therefore provide powerful insights into the chief ideological, political, and military challenge of the twenty-first century.

    Composed in China around 500 B.C., The Art of War remains one of the most seminal expositions on conflict, armed and otherwise. Among Sun Tzu’s many contributions is his simple yet profound diagnosis that knowledge plays the key role in separating victors from the vanquished:

    “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”

    Hence, while tactics proceed from strategies, strategies proceed from fundamentals:

    *the who, what, and why of a given struggle*.

    Why the enemy fights dictates how he fights, so understanding his motivations provides context for his methods and clues to his tenacity. Cataloging the enemy’s strengths and weaknesses likewise enables us to develop strategies that circumvent the former and exploit the latter.

    Technology alone does not win wars. Weapons are only as good as the strategies they serve, and the tailoring of successful strategies depends on knowing one’s enemy — his strengths and weaknesses, his inspirations and objectives.”

    http://www.americanthinker.com

  4. Taukei Says:

    *We Can’t Win If We Don’t Know the Enemy[=Bainimarama-Chaudhry Govt.]*

    Every war is a war of intelligence, of strategic and operational deceit and subterfuge.

    The time is now

    *Find sponsors and leaders*

    *Do not underestimate the enemy*

    *Knowledge and understanding of political, historical, and religious dynamics are weapons in themselves*

  5. EnufDictatorship Says:

    In our coup-infected country, immunity should not be granted because it is this very notion of not taking responsibility for your mindless actions, in the name of so-called \”altruistic motives for the great of the country\” that breeds \”executive lawlessness and promotes irresponsive and irresponsible leadership.\”

    But, if an immunity route is not considered, then I suggest \”impeachment.\” Because, really, tough lessons have got to be learned by selfish leaders who keep placing our beloved country in this mess, professing to have our true needs at heart, accompanied by their guns.

    Our country\’s problems is not up for negotiations, it is up for effective dialoguing through humble reflections (I have said it before, VOREQE SHOULD HUMBLE HIMSELF FIRST), reconciliation, reviewing and readjusting, without guns pointed to our heads.

  6. Taukei Says:

    100% agreed, EnufDictatorship!

  7. Kai Veikau Says:

    Voreqe had rejected all the options in dealing with George Speight and his gang . Instead he positioned his righteous self on the Rule of Law. Now that he has joined Speight and his gang in breaking the Law, I suggest he taste his own medicine and be truthful to his own words to let the Law takes its own course. If all the accused members of Qarase’s Government were taken to task by the High Court and some imprisoned for their part in the 2000 Coup, who is Voreqe to be excused from the same legal process?. He was after all given all the options at the very highest level [Wellington talks with PM NZ and Qarase etc]. He rejected all and lets see if he would be man enough to go through the same mill that Qarase’s Ministers did from 2001-2005. Me laurai sara mada na dau levu tiko na gusuna ena retiokei na TV me dau valataka voli na bibi ni lawa kei na nodra veilewaitaki na cala ena vuaviri ?/.

  8. IslandBoy Says:

    @Taukei – No disrespect to the great Chinese General (SunTzu) but he will win vakadua who is the smartest to vimau tarabu.

    Sorry folks but I smell a huge rat. When Rt. Joni advocated amnesty in his Wellington address last week I thought something was fishy and asked on this bogsite under another thread.

    I wonder where Jese Waqaleka is, but what do you all think about Frank and his crew (especially Chodo father and son plus Khaiyum & Co) all getting a blanket pardon in exchange for all cases and investigations against Qarase being dropped?

    And they both agree to drop LQ’s court case against the illegal regime.

    Snake Oil anyone?

  9. IslandBoy Says:

    @LUVfiji – Ni Bula Marama Nite, ti draunimoli mai Palimedi maleka ga me vakasucu ni Tailevu.

  10. Adi Kaila Says:

    dialogue at last – da wawa mada – softly softly.

    IB I wonder if the ti draunimoli was wine but disguised so the 2 Revs parishioners are not offended.

    CHUG A LUG! CHUG A LUG!

  11. Mark Manning Says:

    I’l supply the stables tui ! They will be made of iron though , so they will rust , in time !
    Just briefly changing the subject though , i was just reading about the headmaster sending students home , stating that their education was paramount . Hasn’t the idiot heard of the international Human rights laws and Conventions , of which I’m sure Fiji is a signatory , that all children have the right to an education and yet he is sending them home !
    Me thinks it be him who needs educating !
    On Frank and amnesty , no , definitely no . To do so would send the wrong signal . These people must be punished as was George Speight , it’s the only deterrent that will work .
    For Fiji to be brought into the 21st. century , it has to stop behaving like a child , all this forgiveness nonsense , come on , that’s what children do !
    In memory of those killed and those who have starved and suffered financially , these people must be brought before the Courts , preferably the International courts if possible .
    Come on you Fijians , stop playing with each others lives . Each coup destroys a person’s prospects for 20 years and their Children’s .
    I can’t believe your all even discussing this approach , how stupid !

  12. Indian Says:

    No immunity.
    They must go through the courts and be exposed.
    Amnesty is a different issue, but if granted, must be granted to all from all coups, after they have been convicted. Jo Koroi exposes her hypocrisy.
    Ratu Joni was disappointing. Any cooperation or compromise with Voreqe would be disastrous for the future. He is a criminal and belongs in a hangman’s noose, but life in prison is the best that can be done in Fiji for now. The treason charge must also be separate from the murder charge. Hopefully Voreqe will get two to six life sentences.
    In spite of all the dancing around, there is one obvious and only one solution. Return the lawful government to power and take it from there. Follow the Constitution. The parliamentary system backed by just courts is capable of handling all of this, it is just that many in Fiji do not understand how it works and forever look for shortcuts. They think laws and democracy are only for Europeans, “but we know better”. Yes, and that is why the quagmire now. This is a wonderful opportunity to go back and support the constitutional prosess. Parliament, village councils, tikina councils, provincial councils, and GCC is where the dialogue should be taking place, in addition to the tanoa sessions nationwide. This is democracy, not negotiations between self interested leaders behind closed doors, seeking a quick fix. If Qarase cuts a deal he will be out, just like Rabuka. This is a no compromise situation, unless it is just a trick to get rid of Voreqe so that the rest of the process can take place.

    Right now is a great opportunity for a true leader to show support for the constitution and the parliamentary system. That is why I was disappointed with Ratu Joni talking immunity. This is not a time for forgiveness. That would come after conviction and after wrongdoers have admitted wrong, if at all. The People have a right to know they have a government that holds its leaders and thieves of leadership accountable. They have a right to know that they have leaders who understand right from wrong and that the constitution is the supreme law of the land.

  13. Mark Manning Says:

    Fiji , in the eyes of the Chinese and Indian Governments , is expendable .
    I figure that if they can destabilise the region in the Pacific or anywhere else in the world , then they can use those countries as bargaining chips to get favourable trade regarding raw materials etc.
    Thin about it , is it possible that we’ve all had the wool pulled over our eyes , or sulu !

  14. Jese Waqalekaleka Says:

    @ IslandBoy, I am cautious about these talks and what may arise from it. I guess that we can only wait to see the outcome as cautioned by Tui Savu.

    @ Mark Manning, TS was referring to ‘staples’ and not ‘stables’ as you mentioned.

    My understanding from medical procedures these days, is when a person is operated on during a serious medical procedure, they no longer ‘stitch up’ the wound, but actually use ‘staples’, which are later removed.

    This makes sense from what TS is writing, that for a serious medical procedure, ‘band aid’ would not be appropriate as only ‘staples’ would.

    How about John Samy’s take that the Fijians no longer need to fear the Indians because they no longer outnumber the Fijians? This is a dangerous statement and should be seen for what it is.

    John Samy is trying to pull wool over the eyes of the Fijians, so to get them to agree to many changes to Fijian Institutions, which is a lie that the Indians no longer are a threat.

    Look at Malaysia, the Fijian soldiers were sent to stop the Chinese Communist Community. The Chinese Community no doubt were a minority to the indigenous Brahmaputra Malays, yet they dominated the economy and in effect controlled the politics, hence the Malayan Campaign.

    Look closer to home in the Solomon Islands. The riot in 2007 was because the Solomon Islanders believed (whether truly or wrongly) that the newly elected PM won because of Chinese lobbying.

    The Chinese in Solomon Islanders make up less than 2% of the whole population, by control over 95% of the economy. This great disparity is a recipe for disaster, which has happened and will perpetuate in the future, if not properly addressed.

    Going back to the issue at hand, I say we wait for the outcome, but in the meantime blog whatever other options to consider because it may influence some things, as many are reading this site.

  15. Taukei Says:

    This “meeting” will achieve Absolutely NOTHING.

  16. Jese Waqalekaleka Says:

    @ Islandboy, on a more lighter note on the issue of coincidence of the Meetings and immunity proposals, may I share this joke with all bloggers, as SV goes over the 400,000 hit mark and let us now target the 500,000 mark.

    He goes my joke:

    What a Coincidence!

    A chicken farmer went to a local bar, sat next to a woman and ordered a glass of champagne.

    The woman perks up and says, ‘How about that? I just ordered a glass of champagne too!’

    ‘What a coincidence!’ the farmer says. ‘This is a special day for me so I’m celebrating!’

    ‘This is a special day for me too, I’m also celebrating!’ says the woman.

    ‘What a coincidence!’ says the farmer as they clinked glasses, then asked,
    ‘What are you celebrating?’

    ‘My husband and I have been trying for many years to have a child, and today my gynaecologist told me that I’m pregnant!’

    ‘What a coincidence!’ says the man, ‘I’m a chicken farmer and for years all my hens have been infertile, but today they’re finally laying eggs.’

    ‘That’s great!’ says the woman, ‘How did your chickens become fertile?’ ‘I used a different cock,’ he replied. The woman smiled and said, ‘What a coincidence!’

  17. Tracker Says:

    Great Joke JW! Really made my night!!! Anyway Talks are talks and I think it could be a good thing for everyone, although history shows that Bainimarama is a man not to be trusted. The last time they had talks that were brokered by others, there was a military coup!

    Anyway, what has changed over the course of 18 months that has finally driven Frank to meet with Qarase? That is really the question that we should be pondering over. Initially in the aftermath of the coup, Frank said that he would never meet with LQ – but now things have changed. What exactly?

    Things have not turned out as Frank had expected. The Fijian community has totally rejected him. The churches as well, notwithstanding the support that he is getting from the Archbishop. (one could say that the response from the churches is largely due to the insults that he hurled at the institutions). The economy is getting worse with high inflation, reserves running out, possibility of devaluation (RBF has no legal obligation to give notice to the public if it wants to devalue), widely reported and covered human rights violations since the coup, widely publicised deportation of foreign publishers of Daily newspapers, embarrasing breach of court orders by officers of the state, tax scandal of the Finance Minister & the ensuing farcical commission of inquiry, rejection of the people’s charter by a majority of the provinces, growing disillusionment from within the military council and other officers, growing poverty & hardship, hardline taken by the Forum Foreign Ministers in their recent meeting as well as the Commonwealth Ministerial Action Group in London, growing public condemnation of his interim govt and the embarrasing gaffes of the Attorney General in the appointment of Adi Koila and her consequent resignation and appointment and resignation of the NZ Solicitor as Supervisor of Elections.

    Bainimarama has not been able to woo his Forum colleagues, contrary to the IG’s own illusions about their abilities in the Pacific. Ratu Mara had it, Tavola had it. Nailatikau & Bainimarama dont!!!

    Is the meeting a recognition that things can’t continue the way they are going & that a way must be found to get us out of this mess? Bainimarama is damned either way & come to think of it, he may need LQ more than LQ needs him to push for a political solution to this problem. Someone who worked under Bai predicted that having knowing both Bainirama and Mahen’s style, Bai he would end up shooting Chaudhry himself!

    Interesting?

    Also, we may be witnessing the fruits of having someone like the Archbishop there. The majority of commentators had strongly criticised him about joining the Charter etc, but it may be that he thought that he could help the situation. I spoke to a relative of his from his island who said that given what had happened in the country since the takeover, the Archbishop hoped to use his influence to assist Bainimarama to turn things around & to come up with a solution to avert a crisis.

    Lastly, we are dealing with human beings here, Banimarama, Chaudhry, Khaiyum, Mataca, Ratabacaca, Qarase, Teleni, Mara, Ganilau & Nailatikau. We all have anxieties, fears, hopes, love, strong affiliations, ties etc and these come to play during the most trying times. None of these people, like us a perfect and can make small or profound mistakes which can change the course of our history. Impregnable Troy fell after years of war because of a woman.

    Peace to all Bloggers.

  18. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    @ Tracker

    I thoroughly enjoyed that. Vinaka

  19. natewaprince Says:

    ”Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”.Me thinks the pigs is following this rule very very carefully.

    He is also taking advantage of the way the situation has sought of fallen in his favour,paving the way for him to exit quietly and safely.

    But elephants have long memories,and Fijians have even longer ones.(memories,that is)

  20. Jose Says:

    Give to Cseasar what belongs to Cseasar and to God what belongs to God. Clearly here we see a separation of church and state. That Mataca has no business siding with those who had committed the wrong.He would have been better off staying privately and quietly in his sanctuary praying for right and truth to prevail.That’s what he should have stood for.There is so much I would like to say to his face none of them good.

  21. Babasiga kid Says:

    All and sundry must take ownership of their actions. We all must if effective change is to take place.

    My tauvu from Nawaikama,Gau,is rather energetic,goodlooking and has a caring loving wife.
    Back from one of his weekend adventures with others ,saw his wife crying.

    Minus a brilliant explanation,offered, “Rairai o ratou mai nakoro e ratou sagai(JARDOO TAKI) au tiko.

    Roko Tui Bau’s solution and i agree with brother Tui Savu can only create an appetite for more coup.

    Firstly-erradicate guns from the army and the Police.
    Secondly,downsize the army and increase the Police force.
    Have an election,The courts to decide the punishment to be meted out to those found guilty of instigating the 06 coup.

  22. tosotiko Says:

    I agree with the idea that we tread cautiously on this. We must first establish what was the motive from Vore’s side. If the move is towards General Election then we must be willing to pursue the matter but what concessions are being sought? I personally do not support immunity for coup supporters, we must continue the lessons learned from Coup 2000.
    But if our leader to come, think this is the way forward, then I agree with Beddoes, immunity for all Coup 2000 and Coup 2006 criminals.

  23. bodyguard Says:

    pardon after going thru court would be much better then total immunity from prosecution. what will we achieve or expose…nothing. the coup will continue & wounds left open to bacteria to swollen up again.

    everyone from pig to shit to monkey [soldiers, ministers, shamimi, arse, etc] shall be arrested & taken to court. they will receive a pardon from the president only if they expose & tell the truth about everything about this bullshit coup ….from top to bottom infront of the ppl….if the ppl are not satisfied with their explanation ….. no immunity.

  24. Peace Pipe Says:

    Knowing the irrational person the pig is one must not be too optimistic with what had just happened. It is as the always sane LQ said that it was only preliminary. But still it is a big achievement to have got the pig to meet LQ thanks to the heads of the two largest churches in Fiji. We only can hope and pray that the pig will see reality and act accordingly. Reality is Fijian majority still strongly support LQ and did not buy into his and chodo’s various spins and lies. Therefore his efforts to push his conceited agendas are being frustrated by Fijian rejections. So the right thing to do is to revert to the rule of law to resolve the crisis.

    On Jon Sa Mi’s comments that “Fijians should not fear….” I can read a couple of things out of it. Firstly is althogh he tries to make Fiji non-racial he still refers to an ethnic group as Fijians. Nothing wrong with calling Fijians Fijians so what is the big deal about creating a non racial society as stated in the ideals of the charter farter. Then he says they should not worry due their majority in numbers. What he did not say or failed to address in his farter charter is the huge disparity in the economic status of the two major ethnic groups. This is the reason there is disturbance in the land as Fijians struggle to make some progress in the financial circles in Fiji. There is a lot unemployment amongst the Fijians and they fall far behind in education which leads to increasing crime as these unemployed try other ways of making money. So this bullshit artist John Sa Mi should stop talking crap if he cannot find the right solution for Fiji.

  25. IslandBoy Says:

    @Jese W – FYI the new cock that lucky lady tried was the very same mic donated freely around the countryside by my naita Dauvavana.

    Au sa kanaka vua me dau vakote tiko ni bisa na lagi, qai laurai qo ni segai ni saraga ni dara, se luva koso beka. Woisaka na na dabe tucake, sha dina ga na cards, tarabu levu tiko vi nite.

    But seriously JW, Tracker makes an excellent point in asking what event or incident tipped Frank’s hand and put him into reverse gear.

    Also what will Mahen do to maintain his grip of influence over Frank and power by default? Will he stop at nothing?

    One of the mistakes I always make is doing a cost/benefit analysis from the perspective of what I think is good for all of Fiji as a nation.

    Whereas those directly involved in the exercise are using a much more personal set of values to determine the benefits they will acquire and the cost can borne by the lower class proles like us, Fiji be damned.

  26. Dauvavana Says:

    Naita IB,

    gusumu ni LOL

    Caka mirikali tiko vei kemudou na Turaga Nite. Me vaka nai talanoa nei Maikeli Rauda me baleta na nona kaya na Father mai St Johns Cawaci, e na nona vukica o Jo na Kuro me Po, dou sa mai veusa taka sara na mic me cock.

    Keitou sega so ni ulu vinaka ka se vakacawiri voli e na neitou mona lalai oqo na ka dou kaya me sa mai vuki na mic me cock, e dua e ia kina na laga sere ia e dua e “toa ni vala”. Kaaraaaaik 🙂

    Naita, na levu ni uca baci tau tu oqo e nodatou Tebera, ni da va kote madaga e se da suasua ga…………………ha ha ha. Ia keitou dau kaya mai na Waisiliva, e cei li na lialia me va kote ni vakarau sili………….

    ia mo ni qai sauma ga e nai talanoa ni caka vuli ma baleta na mate ca na adi senitoa ko a vakamacala kina vei ira na lewenivanua na Turagabete ni Katolika Ekelesia mai Naililili. Okoya e sa warai na nona tobu????

    Line up of the SV Party Cabinet so far:

    PM Kutu the chief editor of SV
    President Natewa Prince
    Attorney General Tui Savu
    Minister for culture, information and entertainment Island Boy

    dou vakuria mai na list.

    O au kerekere meu qai driver/ messenger la nei Minister

  27. Mark Manning Says:

    Jesse w
    I meant staples as stables don’t rust , unless they’re made of iron ! thanks for pointing that out though .

  28. LUVfiji Says:

    @IB. Noqu Naita.. na cava tale meda kaya rawa ena gunu ti draunimoli ‘qo, ie? Well I be damned !!

    @Dauvavana. O IB me Minister for Foreign Affairs; baleta o au via qai i NY me’u lai sosomi taki Nado.

    I can hear the military brass band from my balcony. There is some kind of activity going on there. I wish I could stick around in case Vore is about to make a second dash downhill… but its already 2pm!

    By the by… its Hillary in a landslide for Kentucky, folks!

  29. Striker Says:

    Dialogue is good. The current one is doubtful considering our experience with Baini. The fact is we are really dealing with Chodo and others. Any talk will Baini will only be fruitful after Chodo and these others are neutralised. Find the answer to their effective ‘neutralisation’ and you solve the country’s impasse. Immunity should not be applied generally except when certain conditions are satisified. We cannot sacrifice the rule of law. Those now advocating amnesty should tell the nation, why didn’t they resolve the impasse between govt. & the military while they were in positions of power?

  30. Tebara Says:

    Wananavu na draki na koro Turaga.. Mudre tu na cagi qai mai katakata na siga .. Sa rautame ratou qiri dramu mai Delainabua … LOL !

    Kemudrau na naita…kitou teri dau morse code tale.. 🙂 o kainoqu o IB ni sa lomana me soli vakasama on kece mai … LOL

    Rogorogo vinaka na lineup in SV team. Au sa voluunteer yani meu tea lady ni PMs office .. 🙂

  31. Mark Manning Says:

    Frank and his gang of thieves are asking for the very same thing which they denied George and his gang of thieves . Amnesty and immunity . In fact , immunity was the 1st. thing Frank asked for once he did the coup !
    It proves the old saying , no honour amongst thieves !
    No immunity , no amnesty , just arrest , court and prison .

  32. IslandBoy Says:

    @Tebara – bula vinaka na wekaqu se qai suka mai qo na cakacaka. Kese vo tiko na wai ni ramusu yalovinaka mo qai kerei LUVfiji me lai vaganuvi ratou na vitalanoa tiko qori. Sa qima beka na draunimoli.

    Drau kua ni leqa taki Dauvavana, lesu ga mai na vibobo mai Naililili o Destiny, sa na mai yamo mamaca o naita, ni sa lubu teru rawa tu. Au baci lomani Dee tale ni sana vaka dudumoto rawa tu mai o ko na qaqa.

    @LUVfiji – done deal sweet thing. Called the agency, they found an apartment with floor to ceiling windows facing the East river. 4 br & 4.5 bath with servants quarters, facing away from 54th and 1st Ave. It has 24 hour concierge service and security. I understand Oprah lives in the penthouse and Denzel Washington has the entire 17th floor.

    Also booked your seat to LAX, but from LAX do you want to arrive at JFK, Newark or La Guardia. Will have the limo pick you up and you can stay with me at the Pierre until the apartment is fully furnished. Hope karua doesn’t mind.

    Its too late to bring the kids up now, they can come up in September for the new school year. Ask karua to babysit while I show you the lights of the big apple.

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