Bainimarama urges Qarase to support regime

Update: 11.14am Interim Prime Minister Commodore Voreqe Bainimarama has reiterated his call for ousted Prime Minister Laisenia Qarase and others to join the process towards moving the country forward.

Commodore Bainimarama says this should not only be for the General Election in 2009, but also in building a democratic society that promotes true unity as well as equitable prosperity.

Speaking from Singapore while on a fact-finding mission criticized by many at a time families in Fiji faced financial problems, Commodore Bainimarama said Mr Qarase and other critics would do better if they re-directed their energy to meaningful use.

(from fijitimes.com)

Voreqe Bainimarama, if you are reading this blog or if any of you close aid are, then please consider this/ pass it onto your boss.

If you Voreqe are a real leader then you must be prepared to swallow your pride sometimes and take the olive branch offered by Laisenia Qarase. He has offered to establish dialogue with you. You must remember that he was voted in by more then 80% of the Taukei voters and therefore represents their view.

Why is it so hard for you to have him seat across the table from you, look at each other in the eyes and talk as man passionate enough to move our beloved country forward? 

I can assure you now that history will judge you well if you come down from your pedestal, and unconditionally negotiate with Lai on equal terms. It takes a greater man to humble himself, eat a bit of humble pie and negotiate for the betterment of everyone rather than an elite few.

 

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82 Responses to “Bainimarama urges Qarase to support regime”

  1. Linus Says:

    Judging by the verbal barrages spewing out of the pig and chodopu$$ against LQ and Beddoes, I get the feeling that something has gone seriously wrong and they want a major diversion.

    SV. Your comments on the above article are very well put and I endorse your point totally

  2. Maqa a Leqa Says:

    The problem as I see it is that LQ is in a totally different league from Bhaini. The latter does not have the confidence to sit in the same room as LQ-in case his weakness is exposed!

  3. Pusiloa Says:

    Really cant compare a well educated CEO with a fisherman, peanut brain from Kiuva….english mada ga e broken tiko….luveni sona levu…..

  4. Jose Says:

    Because voreqe the devil’s protege and mentored by that devil’s advocate mataca cannot sit in the light of the Godly man Qarase.

  5. anon Says:

    na dina levu ga baleta ni duidui na koronivuli tabusakayani>>>>dua mai st.giles ka dua ma i matavatucou.

  6. Tim Says:

    Voreqe can’t face ANY of his own bullshit. He’s still coming to terms with the increasing number of people that are beginning to see through him.
    He gets a bout of bravado, trapses off to Tonga, then on the plane home, immediately wonders how the hell he’s going to rationailse his cave-in with the puppeteer back home. Same thing happened with his jaunt to Wellington before it all happened. It’s becomming so repetitive it’s pathetic.
    iI-Arse is must be trying to emulate him – both desperately trying to figure out what their escape routes will be.
    Hopefully they’ll figure it out soon – the more they carry on the chirade, the more likely they’ll eventually be crucified.
    With apologies to “Jose”, please fellas – take your hands off each other’s genitalia

  7. Linus Says:

    The more I read this and similar articles; the more obvious it becomes that Piglet & Chodopu$$ have to be stubborn / uncompromising about this farter charter coz their life and freedom hangs on the hidden escape clauses, not yet seen in public

  8. Mark Manning Says:

    ?

  9. Mark Manning Says:

    That would be like osama bin laden asking george w bush to support al qaeda !

  10. Peace Pipe Says:

    MM correct. Osama Bin Marama asking Qarase to support the man who overthrew him. What a joke. Signs of desperation as things are getting clearer that the terrorist’s plans are not getting anywhere and the reality is his balls is getting screwed and Qarase is on the way back and judgement will fall on all the main players in this ill fated coup. He now sees that the Fijians are rejecting his farter charter and was dillusionary in thinking he had support. Being overseas and looking in from the outside he starts to see the reality. There’s actually no need for Qarase or anybody else to support the regime and its shady activities. They can carry on doing what they are doing themselves if they want or else just drop everything and do what is most pressing which is the elections in 2009. Forget about the farter charter and GCC changes for now and leave it to the next government to deal with because everything happening since 5/12/06 till the next election is illegal. The pig can however start working on a terms of handover of power to the next government. As we can see now the farter charter is the baby of the snake and his supporters. This is evident in his comments about the charter in India that it will be ready in August and be the basis of the election system in 2009.

  11. Mark Manning Says:

    check out , achmed the dead terrorist on youtube !

  12. Mark Manning Says:

    check out ,
    suleman mirza michael jackson youtube.
    just key all of it into google , i can’t seem to attach the sites to you this morning !

  13. Mark Manning Says:

    just looking at all the illegal activity reported in the times , seems to indicate that Andrew Hughes might just have been doing a good job with the Police in Fiji afterall . Could his clean up rate have been one of the reasons the coup went ahead , too many crims were getting caught , but now it appears to be open slather for criminals ?

  14. bisbetica Says:

    Police continue to turn a blind eye to the biggest crime that put Fiji down the rabbit hole – treason on 5 December 2006 that removed an elected government and flushed Fiji down the drain of unemployment, negative economic performance, starvation, kids not going to school and a group of opportunists and their armed guards feathering their nests, feeding on the cream of taxpayers money, junketing around the world and not achieving anything for the people of Fiji.

    As has been stated, without the Charter, the RFMF/IG have NOTHING : no corruption convictions against Qarase and SDL, no widespread corruption as was alleged, NO CLEANUP, just a dirtying up and dumbing down of leadership and the nation.

    We have a facade of a ‘civilian’ government while our army, outfitted and fed by taxpayers, continues its HOSTILITIES against the people of Fiji by holding on to OUR GOVERNMENT.

    Are there any soldiers or officers in the RFMF who see the wrong and impossible course on which their Commander has taken the army? What happened since 2000 is the steady removal of those who tried to bring some commonsense to Frank – so are there any independent thinkers amongst those left in the rfmf? I hear those few who were left there after the coup have since been haemmoraged out of the officer corp.

    So how do we ensure the cessation of hostilities – the return of the soldiers to the camps and return to civilian rule after 2009 elections that we will have to have? Theres about 5,000 soldiers – add their families and theres say 80,000 people that depend on the rfmf directly (compare the sugar industry with 100,000 direct dependants and 250,000 total of indirect and direct dependants – Q are these figures from the heyday of sugar or reflective of the current industry).

    I read these 2 paragraphs and wonder – where are the right thinkers in the RFMF – are there any?

    “Peace-makers within an armed group face many difficulties as they attempt to move that group, and its supporters, towards ending hostilities. They must convince the hardliners to accept a move towards peace, or failing that, manoeuvre to isolate and neutralize them. They must prevent debilitating splits within the group. They must ensure that when peace comes, the group is able to engage in the political process that follows from a position of strength. As well as negotiating with the other parties, such peace-makers are engaged in a complex, at times deadly, game of politics within their own organization. Understand this, and you start to understand why resolving civil conflict is so difficult to achieve, why it takes such a long time, and why any negotiation process between the authorities and insurgents is fraught with obstacles, setbacks, false information, and accusations of bad faith.”

    Where are the peacemakers within the RFMF?

  15. FijiGirl Says:

    Well said SV et al.

    Perhaps one reason Chodo & Vore refuse to sit with our rightful PM is because they are so busy trying to keep hold of their power base, and fiddle while Fiji falls.

    Report below from The Times, 28 April (abridged because I myself get bored of scrolling past block articles).

    Postal vote fraud threatens to wreak mayoral poll chaos

    Jill Sherman, Whitehall Editor

    The electoral system is close to breaking point and the mayoral and local elections on Thursday are vulnerable to large-scale fraud, Gordon Brown is warned today.

    Efforts to improve turnout by increasing postal voting have raised the risk of fraud and undermined confidence in the electoral process, a damaging report from the Joseph Rowntree Trust concludes.

    The report criticises the state of the country’s electoral registers, which often include voters who are dead, fictitious or have a vote registered elsewhere. In some areas, particularly those with many migrants, up to a third of eligible voters may be missing from the roll.

    The trust calls for an urgent overhaul, including making voters show photographic ID to get a ballot paper. It also calls for the cleansing of electoral registers to ensure that all names are legitimate. Thousands of “phantom” voters have just been removed or have disappeared from the register in Peterborough after the council drew up a new electoral roll.

    The Electoral Commission has repeatedly demanded tougher laws to improve integrity. The Council of Europe said in January that British elections had become “childishly simple” to rig. The Government is resisting further reforms.

    “It is very concerning that ministers tend to focus on ‘quick fixes’ to solve declining turnout and ignore genuine concerns about how easy it is to cheat the system,” the report’s author, Stuart Wilks-Heeg, says.

    The document claims the Government has effectively turned a blind eye to electoral fraud, dismissing evidence as largely anecdotal.
    The Times exposed allegations of widespread postal vote rigging in the 2004 local and European elections but Labour waited until it had won the 2005 general election before acting. Its Electoral Administration Act 2006, which introduced modest changes, is described by the trust as having “proved deficient in combating electoral fraud”.

    Three men, including a former mayor, were jailed in Peterborough this month for attempted postal and proxy vote fraud. More election fraud trials are pending around the country.

    The Rowntree trust calls for new safeguards against voting fraud that have been introduced in Northern Ireland to be extended to the rest of the UK.
    ====================
    Postal vote system turns farcical with lessons in spotting forgery
    Jill Sherman and Dominic Kennedy

    The story of how Britain slumped from a century of faith in the fairness of its elections is outlined by the Rowntree trust. The report shows that half the convictions for electoral malpractice since 2000 happened in just four Muslim communities in Lancashire and Birmingham.

    Since 2000, accusations of election cheating have been investigated by every police force in England, with the exception of the City of London Police.

    “Outside ministerial circles, there is a widespread view that a fundamental overhaul of UK electoral law, administration and policy is urgently required,” the report says.

    It traces the rot back to the 1990s, when there was an increase in complaints about bogus “proxy” votes, in which a voter gives someone permission to vote on their behalf.

    The growth of this problem should have made it easy to recognise that the introduction of postal voting on demand in 2000 would make the system vulnerable to large-scale fraud, the report states.

    Vote-rigging has been linked to the biraderi (brotherhood) traditions of Pakistani, Kashmiri and Bangladeshi clans, the report says.

    Half the convictions for electoral malpractice since 2000 came from Muslim parts of Oldham, Blackburn, Burnley and Birmingham.

    Politicians had achieved “dramatic electoral success” by allying themselves to clans. But postal voting deprived women in particular of the secrecy of the ballot box, enabling clan chiefs to force relatives to mark their ballots at home for the clan’s chosen candidate.

    “The biraderi system is widely recognised to have provided significant forms of mutual support in those British Asian communities in which it has persisted, particularly for newly arrived migrants joining established communities in the UK,” the report says.

    “However, the hierarchical and essentially patriarchal nature of biraderi associations has drawn much criticism, particularly among second and third-generation British Asians. In particular, it is widely suggested that extended family and kinship networks, frequently with their origins in settlement patterns in Pakistan and Bangladesh, are mobilised to secure the support of up to several hundred electors, effectively constituting a ‘block vote’.

    “It has been widely suggested that the biraderi system disenfranchises voters, given the combination of a patriarchal clan system and widespread use of postal voting, in which ballot papers are completed within the family home or, in some cases, taken to a central facility (so called ‘voting factories’) for completion by party representatives.”

    Only 46 per cent of British Asians regard postal voting as safe.

    A successful anti-fraud law in 2002 required all of the province’s voters to register individually, providing their signature, national insurance number and date of birth, which can be checked when they vote. Electors must produce photographic identification before being issued a ballot paper in a polling booth.
    =======================
    How Peterborough Council cleaned up its act and lost 8,000 electors

    Fran Yeoman and Jill Sherman

    There are a few scattered posters in Central Ward, Peterborough, encouraging people to vote Labour or Conservative. Thanks to the council’s efforts to cleanse the electoral register, considerably fewer people than in recent years will be able to do so.

    It was in Central Ward that, in 2004, three men attempted to rig the council election in favour of Labour by “hijacking” the postal and proxy vote application forms of members of the Asian and Portuguese communities. They were sent to prison this month.

    Peterborough council’s response has been, in effect, to rip up the electoral register and start again rather than use the traditional method of updating it. At the end of last year it sent out blank forms and asked people to complete them from scratch. When the forms were returned, 8,403 voters had vanished, a decline of 7.5 per cent. In Central Ward, 1,555 people, or 29.8 per cent of the electorate, had dropped off the register.

    Could it be that Central Ward’s lost voters simply did not return their forms and have unwittingly disenfranchised themselves?

    John Harrison, of Peterborough council believes that the majority of the 8,403 have moved on or did not exist in the first place. “Peterborough has a big migrant community and people are constantly moving in and out of the borough,” he said. “It is a highly mobile population. There is a high degree of churn.”
    ================
    Is Chodo-Prasad in India to check out new ways to ‘rig’ the March 2009 elections which, thanks to the solidarity of international agencies, he is unable to wriggle out of?

    Is Vore in Singapore because he wants to copy Lee Kuan Yew, the ‘benevolent dictator’, or because he’s trying to see how far he can destroy the definition of ‘benevolent’?

    God bless Fiji

  16. Nightowl Says:

    Fan bloody tastic. Now were talking. Great posts over the last couple of days by the faithful brilliant minds and some breath of fresh air. Many of you will make excellent representatives for us, please avail yourselves for the next elections – we need people like you to move the country forward.

    As for the cry to join the interim gravy train – all I have to say is who the fcuk asked you to create the mess in the first place, you bloody well fix it up and try and wheel yourself out of this one. We don’t want you, don’t need you, so just concentrate on the 2009 elections and let those that are qualified and capable, take us forward. For fcuks sake you’ve taken us back decades, and you want the people to help you get back. Clean up your own shit first. My apologies to you enlightened ones here, I can’t emphasize it enough in English without using the crude adjectives. Keep up the fight good and goodnight.

    Fiji must NEVER cry again. NEVER.
    PS Sometimes it feels as if a couple of B52s will do the job, but then that defeats the purpose of our peaceful resistance, but keep pushing us to the edge and they might regret it.

  17. Nightowl Says:

    @MM and Batinuku – Few birds tell me that the SBS in Sydney, Australia’s Fijian programme in the vernacular which runs on Saturday’s at 3PM sometime in the past ran pro-IG programmes brainwashing sydneysiders. Sydney Fijians are split – celebrated 2 separate Fiji Days this year. Main culprits – you figure this out – chap from Vanua Levu residing in Australia and fed with crap from media cell in Fiji by a prominent Fijian commentator (a Captain I gather, who may be a relative – direct or through marriage). The birds don’t listen anymore preferring to get the news direct from home, some of whom have been recommended this site. Looking forward to my next trip to Sydney. 1st stop Redfern.

  18. Tracker Says:

    Chodo is in India to give birth to that mysterious Harbhajan Lal. It is sickening that while people in Fiji cannot visit their relatives because of the rising costs, he goes to India on taxpayers expense, and supposedly goes to see his niece in Haryana – bollocks – he has gone there to hide his track and to explain what he did with the $2millioon

  19. church mouse Says:

    Nightowl, that SBS program usually comes from Melbourne but the presenter is off work for about six weeks so her Sydney off-sider is doing the program. I think Tepola did a fair job in getting various points of view from Fiji and I didn’t see the program as pro-IG. But the current presenter just loves one particular old Fiji army band song and has played it about five times lately. It’s a great song, but come on, play something for the younger listeners. The soldiers of thirty years ago are a different lot to the ones of today anyway.

  20. Puf-Military Says:

    Off Piggy goes again to exotic destinations while the poor people of Fiji are enjoying increasing unemployment, bleak future, rising food prices, inflation, corruption etc etc.

    So much for championing the poor, with his usual large contingent with big airline/hotel bills, allowances/per diems.

    iMinister for Finance is noted for his lavish lifestyle while overseas always on the Government’s or someone else’s tab. In Fiji he invites the media to accompany him on his campaign into the cane belts and squatter settlements where he promises the moon to impressionable farmers and kids, giving handouts. kissing babies etc.

    Overseas he’s a completely different animal. In Brussels for eg, when going to beg the EU for more assistance for the “poor” sugar industry, he insists on staying only in 5 star hotels, unlike other attendees. Maybe he forgets that he’s there to focus on solutions to his problems. And the extravagant shopping sprees (Haryana $$) is something else as well.

    Totolo ga mai na vei digidigi….

  21. Mark Manning Says:

    I’m going to say something again which may sound distasteful and may offend some . But it is the Fijians who have created all the problems in Fiji and my thoughts are being supported by some academics there now . I’ve always thought that the Constitution was flawed in regards to landownership , it may also be flawed in the way in which Government is allowed to represent the population . It seems to me that it is partially based on racial grounds , not human . Yet I personally understand the fear that indigenous Fijians may have over ownership or the loss of ownership of their land and the subsequent loss of control over it also and the loss of power in the governing of their country , were Fijian Indians to become the majority .
    Two very important issues seem to keep being side stepped and conveniently missed .
    1/ That all citizens of Fiji , should have equal rights , they clearly don’t under this Constitution it seems .
    2/That at the moment , Fijians are arguing with Fijians , with no clear outcome nor agenda apparent , other than for a few to fleece the treasury and grab power !
    The only good that will come from this coup , is that everyone is now politically aware , that everyone is asking for and demanding a voice and equal rights .
    I just feel it’s time for 2 things to happen .
    1/ that the young take over the politics of Fiji .
    2/ that the Constitution be brought into line with United Nations guidelines and that discriminatory clauses be removed .
    My Father always said , what’s the point in having all this land , if your not going to do something with it ?
    He was a real estate agent !
    The people of Fiji , as much as you say you are a tolerant and forgiving society , the reality seems to be , that you have become a very racially divided and prejudice one .
    This coup gives you all the opportunity to re-evaluate your positions and improve the Constitution and your related regulations etc. .
    Fijian society , as a consequence of , but not because of this coup , can only become a happier nicer society .
    The people of Fiji , have a great reputation in the International community and I for one , am looking forward to that reputation being restored . I hope that the youth become involved in the next elections to the point where they either start a new party or involve themselves as candidates for election . I feel that many laws need to be put into place which make it illegal to discriminate , on all grounds .
    It’s only the Fijians , together , who can resolve these issues .

  22. Linus Says:

    @Mark M. to my understanding; the Taukei do not “OWN” the land in the sense U & I understand it. I feel their association with land is more closely related to the aborigonal concept of “Belonging to the Land and The Land belonging to Them”

    That is why only limited parts of each Clans land can be considered for leasing. And under the hugely unjust current ALTA leasing system for agricultural land the lease become offensive in its terms to the Taukei.

    Further, when we see what has happened to various societies where the “Power of te Greater Good” has been exercised to take over the land , just stop and LOOK at the casualties that arise. E.G.
    Aboriginies
    Maori.
    N. American Indian.

    We do not want that to happen in Fiji do we??? I certainly don’t and I believe any WISE person would be similarly inclined

  23. nokonoko Says:

    Did you suddenly come to this realisation Mark Manning?

    All well and good to start picking at the constitution and our society, but Rome is not built in one day. No system is perfect and no one is saying the 1997 Constitution is perfect – it has provisions for its amendment and improvement. By all means lets have amendments – but only by an ELECTED PARLIAMENT.

    Stop promoting the charter in here as our ONE opportunity to meddle with our structures, solve the ‘deeper issues’ and create a utopia

  24. Linus Says:

    Oh, and P.S. Chodopu$$ has been fighting tooth and nail for the past 20 odd years to prevent any changes to the ALTA agreement that might induce the Taukei to lease out more land. Even the latest scam stinks where the Govt. subsides the cane farmers and pays extra funds to fool the Taukei. If the farmers work hard AND CANE FARMING is not HARD work; only takes up about 40 to 50 days per year to look after a 5 Acre cane farm… [That leaves about 300 days for other activities!!] The could easily afford to pay a viable rent. The crap Chods bleats about the suffering of his F@#^*$G farmers, makes me want to puke.

  25. Jose Says:

    No equal rights with the aliens. Fiji is for Fijian indigenous. Fiji government is for Fijian indigenous. Our land , what we do or what we don’t do with it is our prerogative. If it goes to waste then so be it for now. They are still there for our next generation not lost to alien cunning devise. United nations guidelines to stay out of our constitution. They are not to be trusted. They are riddled with freemasons their agenda is the One World Order. Our problems in Fiji is aliens telling us what to do with our country to line up with other countries and those aliens in government cunningly devising legislations that restrict Fijians in their own land. Fiji does not need to be like other countries. Fiji must stand alone with it’s own God given uniqueness. Do away with all alien ideas. We as a christian nation don’t need them.

  26. zorra Says:

    Qori sa baci tekivu. Bau caka mada ga na timeline me soli vei ratou na Forum dou yavu baku sotia.

    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    NCBBF Forum to change electoral system
    Wednesday, April 30, 2008

    Update: 2.29pm The acting interim Prime Minister, Ratu Epeli Nailatikau has received formal communication from the President Ratu Josefa Iloilo to convene a forum to reform the electoral system.
    Ratu Josefa has approved the convening of a forum for the National Council for Building a Better Fiji.
    The forum will engage the expertise and resources for key stakeholders in Fiji, and political parties, to discuss the steps needed to reform Fijis electoral system.
    http://www.fijitimes.com.fj/story.aspx?id=87902

  27. Mark Manning Says:

    Does the President have this authority , under any circumstances , under the Constitution ?

  28. Mark Manning Says:

    Linus, your right , I don’t understand the land issues as Fijians do , but I support whatever they decide , and yes , as a white man , I’m ashamed at what we’ve done to the many Indigenous Communities around the world . That’s why I am saying Fijians must resolve these issues to their satisfaction , not at the direction of others .
    Nokonoko, I don’t support the people’s charter , I don’t even know why it’s called that , it should be called Frank and his cronies charter !
    I’ve mentioned other issues , not to offend , but to promote discussion and consequently , to try to understand more , Fijians thoughts on these issues .
    My overall concern is that if these issues are not resolved , then there will remain an excuse for every Commander in the future , to perpetrate a coup . Of course it takes time to evolve into a thriving , just society . Perhaps , to date , coups have been a necessary part of that process . And yes , each time the matters confronting Fijian society , should continue to be improved and hopefully resolved to every Fijians satisfaction . As I said , it’s a matter for the Fijians . Whatever they decide is good for their community , will have my support , as you say , provided it is done by an Elected Government . I hope the High Court returns Mr Qarase to Government so you can avoid the unnecessary expense of another election and so the healing , emotional and financial , can begin .
    God bless Fiji .

  29. Mark Manning Says:

    Jose , no disrespect intended my friend , but it seems a narrow minded view you have .
    Christian attitudes are also foreign to Fiji , originally !
    The United Nations and it’s Charter , were established and adopted because of the two world wars . In it’s implementation , it attempts to stop dictators like Frank and Chaudhry , from ruling over a country .
    I hope you can learn to embrace some of the concepts of the United Nations for the betterment of Fijian society now and in the future . Please don’t be one eyed .

  30. Linus Says:

    Just found this piece in an article in today’s Fiji Sun. I ask this Rt. Iferemi of Namosi, which is the greater treason?? To overthrow a legally elected Govt. or abandon a military officer who is giving illeagel orders.

    “A soldier who defied his chief’s order and influenced his comrades not to withdraw from the military in 2006 said his motive was to protect his men and his chief from harm.
    The soldier who is closely related to the chief said he was concerned at how people of his province were politicised and were not given the chance to choose for themselves what they wanted. Speaking to the Fiji Sun, Ratu Ifereimi Buaserau yesterday said he was protecting the Tui Namosi, Ratu Suliano Matanitobua when he defied his order that all soldiers from his province withdraw from the military.
    Rt Suliano had called on all soldiers who were from his province to leave camp after the government he was a part of was removed forcefully by the military on December, 2006.
    “I defied the order to protect Ratu Suliano,” he said.
    “Had we withdrawn, the army would’ve arrested us and him. Obeying such order is an act of treason.
    “I was firm in my decision when I called on soldiers from Namosi to brush aside the call because I knew of the consequences if we followed it.”

  31. Mark Manning Says:

    It would have been mutiny , not treason had the soldiers withdrawn . But if the soldiers resigned , like some honourable Officers have done , then that would have been effective and legal with no consequences . It is illegal for a soldier to follow an illegal order , full stop . The problem is , how does one define a legal order compared to an illegal order ? Some soldiers would have difficulty distinguishing between the two . It’s smarter to resign , hence removing yourself from a charge of mutiny by disobeying an order or from a charge of treason by seemingly following an illegal order where it involves overthrowing an Elected Government . To remain in the Military and be party to the overthrow of an Elected Government , is treason ! No matter what excuse you make .

  32. Mark Manning Says:

    Ratu Suliano Matanitobua , would not have had the legal Authority to order all soldiers from his province withdraw from the Army ! Had the soldiers obeyed , he would have been charged with something !
    Ratu Ifereimi Buaserau would certainly have been charged with mutiny had he obeyed his Chief .
    I submit that both these men , Ratu Suliano in asking soldiers from his province to leave the Army and Ratu Iferemi in refusing to obey his Chief for the sake of soldiers under his Command , have both shown incredible bravery , under extreme circumstances and that bravery should be acknowledged . I thought that when the Chief requested the soldiers to withdraw and i think it now .

  33. gelli Says:

    ‘Proportional representation best for Fiji’
    30 APR 2008

    The long term solution for Fiji lies neither in communal seats nor in a one vote, one value electoral system but in proportional representation that provides the most appropriate safeguards for minorities, says Bau high chief Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi.

    Speaking at the Fijian Teachers Association AGM, Ratu Joni said in the present highly-charged political environment, there has been considerable debate about the electoral system and governance generally.

    He said both the Interim regime and the National Council For Building A Better Fiji have provoked the ire of certain sections of Fijian opinion by advocating a one vote, one value electoral system.

    “Fijian protagonists have interpreted this as an attack on indigenous identity and the right to have their representatives elected on their own electoral rolls.

    “Articles 3 and 4 of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples guarantee the right of self determination.

    “Article 5 assumes the right to maintain and strengthen their distinct political institutions. Those views are held passionately and sincerely,” the ousted vice president said.

    But he added that, in our present circumstances the rationale underpinning the
    Declaration does not equate.

    He said if one accepts that the principle of self-determination enables indigenous people to govern themselves, the dynamic must necessarily change where they form a majority.

    The paramountcy of Fijian interests as a protective principle (as stated in the Compact of the present Constitution) more aptly captures the spirit of the Declaration, he said.

    “As opposed to the paramountcy claimed in the 1990 Constitution. In the present situation, Fijians are able to exercise predominance over other communities as well.

    “So the insistence of having separate electoral rolls and representatives becomes less obvious. The irony is that in this different setting, it is the minority communities who then need to be protected.”

  34. gelli Says:

    A great rebuttal from Dr. Jon Fraenkel to those seeking to defer elections to allow for the Charter to deal with deeper issues and bring about TRUE DEMOCRACY. (from lowyinterpreter.org)

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    LOWY INSTITUTE (lowyinstitute.org) blog: The Interpreter

    Fresh Fiji elections or militarist fatalism?

    by Jon Fraenkel, Research Fellow in the State, Society and Governance in Melanesia Program at the ANU, in response to Satish Chand and Sanjay Ramesh on the Fiji debate.

    The chorus of criticism against speedy elections as a way out of the impasse generated by Fiji’s December 2006 coup is revealing. Of course, it is true that the two year Pacific Islands Forum-European Union timetable for fresh elections set in early 2007 reflected a fairly standard response, advocated by the Commonwealth — one suspects almost regardless of the political situation in post-coup circumstances. That response makes greater sense in situations where there are considerable uncertainties about the outcome of elections. However, in Fiji, elections had been held only eight months before the coup in May 2006. As Satish Chand says, there is a high probability that the next election scheduled for March 2009 produces a similarly polarized outcome to those pre-coup polls. Perhaps, as Sanjay Ramesh anticipates, ‘with an even more violent outcome’. This argument has a familiar ring amongst some sections of the community in Fiji, but it is one that could be used to justify acquiescence under military regimes anywhere in the world.

    There were similar uncertainties after the May 2000 coup and particularly around March 2001 when Fiji’s Court of Appeal ruled the post-coup interim government to be illegal — although then the fear was of an ethnic Fijian populist uprising. Then the critics of holding fresh elections preferred instead that the pre-coup parliament be reconvened, perhaps with a different Prime Minister or under a ‘Government of National Unity’.

    This time around, the critics of elections for the most part offer no such practical alternative. Many of the more vehement anti-electionists say polls should not be held until the constitution is changed, the electoral system overhauled and a ‘Peoples’ Charter’ popularly endorsed by referendum. These critics range from die-hard coup supporters (such as Fiji Labour Party President Jokapeci Koroi), to the one-time almost pedantic upholders of the rule of law (such as the Citizens Constitutional Forum), to middle-ground opponents of the coup (such as Satish Chand and Sanjay Ramesh). What they all have in common is that they offer no clear alternative to perpetual military intervention in Fiji’s political life.

    Imagine what might have happened if this type of response had gained widespread support back in the wake of Fiji’s previous military coup in 1987. Would it then have been a practical and laudable response to reject efforts to restore constitutional government or hold fresh elections because that would threaten to bring yet another military coup? Would it have been better to reject the mid-1987 Deuba accord, because this threatened to unleash a military clampdown, as indeed occurred in September 1987, when the military reasserted its authority and Fiji departed from the Commonwealth? Would it have been better thereafter to have embraced the 1990 constitution, and sought to reshape this into a more moderate and acceptable framework?*

    Anyone urging such a course of action, or inaction, back in 1987-90 would have been widely condemned for spinelessly accommodating a ruthless and racist military regime. Anyone who backed the post-2000 coup Ravuvu-led Constitutional Review Commission was condemned as pandering to ethno-nationalist sentiment, whereas those who join the illegal interim government’s ‘National Council for Building a Better Fiji’ are widely welcomed as enlightened bearers of a reform-oriented agenda. Why the difference in response? Why are the critics of elections this time around so unenthusiastic about the prospects of returning to the polls?

    The call for fresh elections is a sensible response to the current impasse in Fiji. No-one suggests that elections — or even mandatory power-sharing of the type Fiji tried before this was demolished at the hands of the military — will resolve Fiji’s political or economic troubles, or provide some miraculous antidote to the cycle of coups. That will be the tough task of post-election governments for generations to come.

    International pressure for elections is sensible because it reflects domestic pressures that cannot presently be articulated; the majority of people in Fiji also want an elected government, but military intimidation and armed force prevents that aspiration from being realised. It is also a sensible response because the military, and the interim government, claim to be acting in the interests of the people, and that only ballot-rigging or the racially-engineered electoral system prevented their faction from gaining electoral endorsement. Let us put that to the test, and maximise the pressures towards getting the military out of Fiji’s political life (as was successfully accomplished in the 1990s). The real danger is not fresh elections, but that the Pacific Islands Forum succumbs to the pressure to accept all manner of obstacles erected by the illegal interim regime on the so-called ‘roadmap’ for elections. As a Fiji High Court judge said after resigning for coup-related reasons earlier this year, ‘acquiescence is the friend of illegality’.

    * The post-coup 1990 constitution reserved the position of President and Prime Minister for ethnic Fijians and gave 37 seats to the ethnic Fijians and 27 to Fiji Indians, despite near equality in their shares of the total population.

    http://www.lowyinterpreter.org/post/2008/04/Fresh-Fiji-Elections-or-Militarist-Fatalism.aspx

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    Lowy Institute Blog

    Reader riposte: Fiji headed for more violence

    by Sanjay Ramesh, political editor of the Sydney Fiji Times, responds to Satish Chand’s contribution to our Fiji debate:

    Satish is right on the mark when he states that holding elections in March 2009 may not resolve Fiji’s deep-seated political problems and will not end the cycle of coups, because as I have mentioned in one of my articles in the World Press, ‘holding elections will not magically resolve Fiji’s deep-rooted problems and both Australia and New Zealand know that. There is a need to re-analyze Fiji’s existing constitution, including the electoral system, and arrive at a political-constitutional framework that would in the future encourage inter-ethnic cooperation at all levels of government’.

    The problem is that besides the Fiji Labour Party and the National Alliance Party of Fiji, none of the other political parties are participating in the deliberations of the National Council for Building a Better Fiji (NCBBF). As a result, an election without the necessary political consensus among opposing parties will lead to a repeat of the 2006 general election result with an even more violent outcome.

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    Below is the earlier article by Dr. Satish Chand of ANU

    Look before you leap: Fiji’s forthcoming elections
    by Associate Professor Satish Chand, from the Crawford School of Economics and Government at ANU.

    There is considerable debate about whether Commodore Frank Bainimarama, the interim Prime Minister of Fiji and the coup-maker who overthrew the elected government of his predecessor on 6 December 2006, will (as repeatedly promised) return Fiji to the polls next March. Considerable international pressure is already being put on the Commodore to ensure he keeps his word. PMs Sevele (Tonga) and Somare (PNG) met the Commodore last week — no doubt with the blessing of regional leaders from the Pacific Forum — only to get a reaffirmation of this commitment.

    The elections taking place next March are the least of my concerns. If history is any guide, the Commodore will deliver on his promised electoral timetable. The real issues for Fiji are whether the elections will be ‘fair and free’ and if it will enable Fiji to escape its cycle of coups. I’m not sure of either. And another election, at the urging of the international community, could just make matters worse.

    Place yourself in the shoes of the Commodore. Would you risk losing an election, knowing full well the consequences that would follow? The Commodore has vowed to stop the SDL, the party he ousted from government, from recontesting the March ’09 elections. Will the elections be judged ‘fair and free’ if this promise is kept? Even if kept out of the race, what if a re-badged SDL makes it through? Another coup, followed by a repeat of the well-rehearsed chorus by the international community?

    The possibility of a return to power of some incarnation of the SDL is not beyond the realms of possibility. The international community will have done Fiji a huge disservice if by pushing for ‘fair and free elections by March 2009’ it edges the nation towards its 5th coup.

    I am not arguing for a deferment of the forthcoming elections: in my view it’s a given they will go ahead. I am canvassing for some thought to be given to getting Fiji off its cycle of coups. It is a simple message: look before leaping into yet another election! Some fresh thinking and leadership on how Fiji could be decoupled from its coup culture is well overdue.

  35. Mark Manning Says:

    Thanks gelli , just what I was trying to say !

  36. Jose Says:

    The system of the one world order existed before the 2 world wars. Every wars and revolutions were planned by this order to make way for the system and they haven’t finished until all the nations of the world come in line. It’s not hard to see that the voreqe is talking freemason language and showing freemason symbols. Fiji must stand alone. The world is calling for unity. voreqe not surprisingly is parroting their call in Fiji . They are birds of a feather. Unity,unity. Then there will be a one world government. Aliens must stop giving us advice. Fijians know how we want to live in our own country. We know best how we want to run our own government We don’t need aliens telling us what to do and how to do it. The Bible is the Book of Origin for all. Indegenous Fijians have accepted it and we as christians have taken ownership of it to live by.

  37. FijiGirl Says:

    Mark Manning – who says that using the land as rainforest and natural ecosystem is ‘wasting it’?

    Wasting it would be turning the entire ecosystem into cane farms, paper mills and quarries which, if Chodo-Prasad had his ‘druthers, is what he would work towards.

    Don’t forget, Australia is mostly desert, which is why you have the luxury of using up mineral resources and maximising the few strips of arable land.

    Our pristine ecosystems are, in the scale of global land use, a treasure. And it should be the right of the indigenous people to keep it that way if we see fit.

    Thank you for the chance to debate these important points, without prejudice.

    God bless Fiji

  38. Jumbo Says:

    Thanks gelli:
    Problem with current situation is changes are being made outside of the constitution and it appears that as soon as a new order is set up then they will use the consitutional means to adopt it. This is just not acceptable..it feels like we are being conned in the whole process. I believe that what is required is to get Fiji into elections and any change that is required must be done withtin the ambit of the systenm that we have accepted and must be done in good faith with in the framewortk of the consitution. Not outside it. It appears that the agenda of the people behind the coup and the iIG are to rid Fiji of its Fijian people and to let others dominate as it was in the past. Only under an elected government can genuine dialogue and free and fair discussion can be made to solve our problems and move the country forward. Without that, we will only be perpetuating the coup habits and mentality becauyse a certain portion of our society cannot get their voice heard whilst they all try and dominate one another. Elections must come first before we can move the country forawrd as has been mentioned by Dr Fraenkel in ytour article. In the absence of any other facts to the contrary,, the agenda of these people behind the coup and charrter are clearly those expounded by Jose above.. We cannot ruloe that out.

  39. Mark Manning Says:

    Fijigirl
    your right and it is up to all Fijians to decide what it is they want to do with their land etc .

  40. Jose Says:

    @Jumbo, we cannot afford to rule it out. It is the one world order agenda for Fiji today. Another coup to do it to bring their system in wouldn’t surprise the world . After all it’s just another coup in coup coup land. And this was a very good disguise. No aliens in our government . No more. Fiji must stand alone.

    Also you are right on the mark there FijiGirl

  41. IslandBoy Says:

    On Fiji TV tonight there was an item about the new national discussion forum the President approved to discuss the electoral process before March 2009.

    Though submitted to the President by the NCBBF, it is supposed to be a stand alone entity tasked ONLY with resolving electoral process issues. Yeah right!

    They are supposed to be sending out invitations to all political parties, commentators and other stakeholders including representatives of the PIF.

    My first reaction was anger thinking that they are still trying to jam their agenda down all our throats, just using a different strategy.

    Then I realised they must know for sure the NCBBF has failed and are now trying for nation-wide validation through other means.

    I just hope all provinces and political parties also kick this one to the curb and demand restoration of the constitution. What do you guys think?

  42. bisbetica Says:

    @ Fijigirl, Jose, Jumbo, MM

    Fully agree. Fiji must have elections – only through an Elected Parliament, where our VOICES are HEARD and our VIEWS CONSIDERED can truly REPRESENTATIVE NEGOTIATIONS happen.

    Everything else, like all being done by the interim government, is the unlawful IMPOSITION of various UTOPIAN IDEALS by opportunists and their do-gooder sidekicks who in the final analysis, have just made LIFE, the economy, stability, prosperity WORSE by trying to BYPASS the CONSTITUTIONAL safeguards for our rights, aspirations, culture, traditions and way of life.

    Yes, reform is DIFFICULT under the 1997 constitution – but theres a good reason for that – only with GOOD WILL and GOOD FAITH can the process of RECONCILIATION and REFORM happen – neither of which is possible when one party is holding a gun to the other parties’ heads.

    The do-gooders who’ve got caught up in this mess are swayed by feelings of REVENGE and made to feel better about being co-opted by the RFMF, with the promise that they can CLEANUP (where? evidence? who? nuthin so far!) REFORM (where? what? evidence – nuthin so far! just a whole lotta fuckups) and to bypass the ‘monolithic’ and ‘seemingly immovable’ indigenous institutions – we all know what has resulted – the opening of pandoras box the likes of which have not been seen in Fiji.

    Because they’ve gone about it the wrong way, no matter all the good intentions in the world to HELP – the people who are hurt the most in all this 5/12 coup are the POOREST PEOPLE of Fiji – the poorest of the poor as Father Kevin Barr likes to refer to them. They’re the ones hurting the most from this RFMF misadventure!

    Only with elections, where our voices are heard, our views considered, can LASTING reform take place, that will be USEFUL because we the people have had our SAY in it. Yes, a whole lot of hard work and dialogue, compromise and negotiation lies ahead, but is the RFMF and interim government BRAVE enough, COURAGEOUS enough to get off their high horses and come to the table, leaving the guns at the door? Are they INTELLIGENT enough to realise this or are they BENT on HAVING THEIR WAY?

  43. LG Says:

    Dina mada Island Boy! They are yet again dreaming (but like someone said, dreams are free!) that Fiji’s international friends will also become involved in the NCBBF Forum. Do they think people are idiots – its the same people proposing the same thing, the same people will chair and push and move this Forum in the way the RFMF/FLP/IG decides.

    Could also be another way for them to get money from the donors – qai vaya! Remember the speech Samy wrote for Iloilo on the opening of the Charter farter council – crying and castigating the international community for not helping the ncbbf!

    Da dredre madaga!

    Se baci ia na tatadra o foreqe!

    😉

    😀

    😀

    😀

    On an aside, I really liked though, Roko Tui Bau’s speech at the FTA. Can someone post the full speech please?

    Of course the deaf ones up at the rfmf and in the IG will NOT HEAR….

  44. IslandBoy Says:

    @LG – I stood up and cheered when he spoke in Fijian. I wonder if any illegal regime or NCBBF rep fully understood the implication of the word “veilecayaki” used in the context of the Roko Tui Bau’s speech decsribing the sum total of their efforts.

    When the camera panned across the audience how can they hope to field their rag tag bunch of wannabees against the might of Fijian leadership present for the occasion.

    Pictures of the garden gnome (pronounced guh-nome) Ralogaivau and the shambling Nawalowalo compared to those present at the FTA conference, sa arse versus class ga.

  45. Bebenibogi Says:

    With all due respect to the President and his subjects. It is true that as many have said time and time again, if they respect and are genuinely true to their turaga, it is time to gracefully ask him home to rest in his twilight years. It is unfair and cruel to use him. You will be cursed if you continue to abuse him in his twilight years.

  46. Mark Manning Says:

    VESTED INTERESTS !
    If I was a landowner and wanted to make money from leasing my land , then I would vote for landownership to continue , in order that I might continue to rent my land .
    If I was an Indian , I would want the landownership regulations changed , in order that i no longer had to lease land from a landowner .
    If I was a Fijian who didn’t have any landownership , I would want the landownership regulations changed in order that i might be able to buy my own land , freehold , like the Indian might prefer !
    If i were genuinely concerned at my ancestral grounds , I would wan the landownership to continue , out of respect for my ancestors and my heritage .
    So i believe that there are many facets to Fijian society , but those who have vested interests , must declare what those interests are . Yes , the problems can only be solved by Fijians . I think the problems however , are man made and can be unravelled , provided all is done with good intentions and not because of vested interests . I think Fiji’s situation is unique and therefore incredibly difficult to resolve .

  47. Mark Manning Says:

    You all seem to be missing the point again !
    The Presidency is not a person , it is an Institution of the people , for the people , by the people . The President however , is a person . But that person , no matter who they are , doesn’t have the authority to do many of the things the regime says this President is doing . Also , the regime doesn’t have any Authority .
    Isn’t it time the Military returned to barracks or just resigned en masse ? Where would that leave Frank and his regime ?

  48. Linus Says:

    @Mark M. Are U aware that from 2000 onwards, the Military have argued that the 1997 constitution re. the military does not apply and they still try to use the 1990 version. Also, the so-called “Reserve Executive Powers” of the President that they claim are under dispute [Qarase / Ig trial] and Pigs stated exit stratergy is to become the next President blah, blah, blah.

    Also, within Fiji Society the choice of President is sensitive to rotation among the various clan groups / confederacies.

    Re your comments about the land ownership and vested interests; Every Registered Fijian male and his offspring are landowners.
    But the Colonialist powers in 18?? promised the Girimits land if they came to Fiji… A promise they could not keep!

  49. bisbetica Says:

    The best response to the offer from the fork-tongued rfmf leader bainipuaka comes from Peceli Kinivuwai in today’s Sun. We have become used to the daily delusions of the IG and its good that we point out every now and then that the emperor has no clothes. Kudos to SDL’s Kinivuwai and Baba for calling a spade a spade.

    Bainimarama must be stupid, says Kinivuwai
    The call made for critics of the interim government to join the process of moving the country forward has been criticised by a political party.
    Interim Prime Minister Commodore Voreqe Bainimarama said ousted Prime Minister Laisenia Qarase and the other critics would do better for themselves and the nation if they re-directed their energy spent on criticising the interim government to more meaningful use.

    Soqosoqo Duavata ni Lewenivanua Party general secretary Peceli Kinivuwai said Cdre Bainimarama must be stupid to make such a suggestion as Mr Qarase and other critics would never join a regime that was not founded on the basis of constitutional law.

    “Mr Qarase and others like him support the rule of law and would never join forces with an administration that is undemocratic and was established under the rule of a gun,” Mr Kinivuwai said.

    He said Cdre Bainimarama and the military were the very perpetrators of the coup and for the Commander himself to suggest to the very people that he ousted from Government to help him and his regime to move the country forward was ridiculous.

    He said Cdre Bainimarama’s comments that most international communities had finally recognised there was no turning back now was a big lie.

    “What international community is he talking about? As far as we know we still have so many sanctions still imposed on the country because of what he did under the barrel of the gun,’’ said Mr Kinivuwai.

    “Most doors are still closed to Fiji and will only start opening once we go back to democracy and constitutional law.”

    Cdre Bainimarama said critics of the interim Government should stop deluding themselves by thinking that the country will return to pre-December 2006 status as problems that are currently being faced by the country is due to very poor leadership and a seriously misguided SDL-led Government.

  50. Tasariki Says:

    Hello Bloggersss……finally a site to vent out our anger @the DICTATORSHIP that is upon our country………….

    We are debating Frank and his stupid advisers..and his idiotic, no brainer, does not know how to run a country government…….back & forth…

    I am getting tired of seeing our country go down the drain everyday as the sun set….it setss with heavy rays as there are no signs of hope.OR IS THERE?..PLIZ TELL ME THERE’S HOPE!!….

    Every one has a two cent on the whole issue but does anybody have a DOLLAR on how to end all of this?……..

    In class yesterdy…we discussed about ways to strengthen the rule of law..first to identify a problem with the rule of law and a solution to the problem…..Fiji and Frank was the hottest topic around the room…arguments were sent back and forth between groups!!!….
    Solutions were given and debated…But one particular student’s answer to all the problems bout Frank and his wayss……
    ……SHOOT EM!!!…..lol..lol..lol..lol.lol..lol..lol..lol..lol..lol..lol..lol

    xoxoxoxoxoxoxoxo

  51. tobo Says:

    The truth is the only thing that will set us free. Bloggers like Solivaksama and Discom Bubu are helping us do this.

    We have to tear holes in the veneer of lies this regime is setting up for us to look through.

    We feel like we have cataracts growing in our eyes, but these are what the regime are having us believe.

    No. no , no – force the truth people, and the land will see.

    Believe that this will happen and it will.

    Truth will prevail.

  52. Mark Manning Says:

    Linus
    no I’m not aware of the history regarding land etc. in Fiji .
    I know only Fijians can sort out the mess , but they seem to need a hand doing it .
    I think that with the passage of time , things and situations and consequently the dynamics of Fiji politics etc. has changed .
    But the flexibility to deal with those changes has misguidedly been handled by the Military and self serving interest groups , rather than through the Democratic process .
    Fijians think they can decide how to govern themselves it seems , but forget that they are part of the International community as well .
    The consequences of that being , they we all have to live by some basic standards .
    This point seems to keep being left out in all or at least some of the arguments for change etc.
    This is my opinion only , and is meant to be an observation , not a criticism .

  53. Mark Manning Says:

    By the way , some Fijians have themselves told me that some Fijians don’t have land ownership at all !

  54. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Sigh!!

    Oh Mark!! Tut, tut! 🙂

  55. Mark Manning Says:

    oh well , I can only repeat what I’ve been told .
    Your replies enlighten me , so keep up the good work all .

  56. natewaprince Says:

    MM,please think before commenting,don’t add comments just for the sake of doing so.A little knowledge really can be dangerous,don’t you think???

  57. Jose Says:

    Natewa Prince, o cei mada na turaga vosa tiko mai cake qori. Dua na ka na kena dau vutivuti tiko vei au na ka dau kaya tiko so na gauna. Au kila o koya sega ni kaiviti. Na cava nona tiko mai o koya vei keda. E dua tiko beka na nona vei wekani ke vei keda na kaiviti?

  58. Mark Manning Says:

    natewaprince
    your right again,I’ve just been advised that all Fijians have access to their ancestral land . I misunderstood the initial advise or misinterpreted it . Sorry folks if any of you were offended .

  59. doremi Says:

    Actually MM – quite a few mataqali are landless. In total, this is about 5,000 according to the Ministry of lands and there are also those whose mataqali holdings are not enough for their increased population. Where ever and who ever is landless, like those 6 Indian families evicted by Ministry of Land engaged thugs, we the people of Fiji must have some compassion. While many many Fijians are ‘land-rich’, most are cash-poor – but then at least we have the land to fall back on (if its accessible, near markets, arable, then great!) unlike the totally landless like the 6 evicted this week from state land, who have nothing to fall back on.

  60. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Very interesting reads. You guys do an incredible job here. I am very impressed.

    Hi Mark ! thanks for the persistence. Nicer debate here compared to Fiji Times Online aye?

    You bring up very good points on the land issues.
    Thank you for reiterating that it is for the Fijians to work out and they can and will but we prefer not to be made to feel as if we have a “deadline” to meet. We don’t have to hustle inorder to accommodate others’ needs. We are tired of always having to be the ones to compromise in our own home — that we have to be hospitable, friendly and considerate of others’ needs where our own became secondary. While a lot of vulagis wish our stances change on land issues for their benefit and understanble from their view point; I prefer we all just take a break on all matters regarding land until Fiji has an elected government in place. I am weary of this IG as you well know.

  61. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Welcome, welcome Kata! 🙂
    Good to see you on here!

  62. Jose Says:

    Hi my dear cuz, Katalina, fancy meeting here on the blog. How’s Sina and Mele over there, Fitu and Winnie.

  63. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Hi ! aubatinuku-N and thank you.
    Wsh I could say back hi “cuz Jose” but I don’t have a family member named Jose sorry no offence intended :–) Mark thought you would have said hi though.

  64. Jose Says:

    No Lina, my name is not Jose and no offence taken. Hi, Mark.

  65. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Oi, vosota Baleta segabau a yaca meu rawa ni identify with ia kaya ga mai omudou vale mai nakoro

  66. Jose Says:

    Keitou mai Taiji

  67. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    OMG !

  68. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Post with real identity so that it is known that it ain’t only me from Tubou who stands on the side of correctness. Anyway, malo a bula !

  69. Jose Says:

    Well everyone knows it now where I’m from

  70. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Du vakaukaua tiko na wekaqu na Vuanirewa, sa ratou beitaki tiko na gone ni Valelevu e na levu na ka………….Sa kena gauna beka me buli e dua na Tui Nayau vou, O cei beka e du sa nanuma tiko?
    I just hope the rumors I hear are not true, about them being involved in this whole mess, the whole RokoUlui deal & all the JAZZ that goes with it…………..but then again the evidence points>>>>>>>>>>>>
    Ke sa mai Taiji ko Jose, Kata my friend I will now safely assume you are Vuanirewa……….Naivi, se Vatuwaqa, se ni marama ni vei Adi Tau?
    I always love reading your posts, KUDOS!!

  71. natewaprince Says:

    Dou yadra na marama.Sa gauna beka qo me la’i saqa na vakasigalevu me ra la’i lotu tale ga na gone.

  72. Jose Says:

    aubatinuku -N
    Yavusa Vuanirewa, o au mataqali ni Vatuwaqa.Au na valataka tiko na dodonu. Lina is taking the same stand. Malo a bula.
    Yadra NP.

  73. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Thank you aubatinuku-N for giving me the chance to address this one.

    Tui Nayau is Ratu Finau there is no dispute there whether he is installed and when is entirely his decision.

    Thank you too for your kindness in trying to be diplomatic but Roko Ului doing Bai’s bidding up at Delainabua are not “rumours” They are glaring facts. Ratu Epeli Ganilau and Ratu Nailatikau as co conspirators to oust the people’s government makes our valelevu guilty by association at best and worst is left to the individual’s imagination. Then there is Ratu Finau’s name is put forth for diplomatic posting by this IG. For us, it is naive to pretend our valelevu is innocent.

    DOES THAT MEAN that Ratu Finau will not be installed ? Absolutely not. He is indisputably the one. If Roko Ului is to be installed it will be on the say so of Ratu Finau. We are clear on that score. Now, How will that qualify Roko Ului in the new look GCC the IG is pushing ? Your guess is as good as mine.

    Then there is the case of people like me speaking out against this coup because am bloody sick, tired and freakin fed up of repeated coups.
    I am not going to sit back and pretend that this coup might be okay just because my chiefly household happen to be @ the front and center of it. It is, I believe one of the underpinning beliefs (weaknesses) that gave energy to coups’ perpetuation — Fijians’ inability to separate themselves from the wrongdoings of families, kaivata, and their chiefs; stemming from a false sense of loyalty. Chiefs and family members should be held accountable to their people and families first and foremost and tried in the same lcourt of aws that we feel is right for everyone else. There can not be double standards any longer. For that breeds the coup culture. The coup makers count on the Fijian traditional “loyalty to kin” or “loyalty to chiefs” to keep their silence even in the face of gross injustices sending an inaccurate message of support that did not and do not exist.

    Break the culture of silence is the first step to breaking the culture of coup
    given Fiji’s inability to disarm her militaty.

  74. woilei Says:

    Bula Kata my old friend. So nice to see you on this forum. I would love contact you as missed you last time you were over. Are u in a position to let us know what your email is ?

  75. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    If you have a generic email address like a yahoo or hotmail
    give it and I will email you. I don’t have one like that and my email is set up so that only emails I have actually added onto my address book is allowed by my carrier entrance into the Inbox.

  76. woilei Says:

    Isa I dont. But if you email another old friend at veekaybee@gmail.com , I will ask her to keep it for me. Malo.

  77. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Won’t be happening. Sorry.

  78. woilei Says:

    Bula Kata – I have set a yahoo email up for me now . It is beev52@yahoo.com. Hope to hear from you soon.

  79. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    There is still one small problem. The name woilei is not a person I know. So hang tight and let me invent a generic email with a false name and then I will email;you concede that is fair yes?

  80. woilei Says:

    Fair Kata – vinaka. When we are in contact it will be obvious why I have to go by a pseudonym – like a lot of us in Viti at this present time.

  81. Katalina Balawanilotu Says:

    Bainimarama urging Qarase to assist moving the country forward proves he is ripe for St Giles.

    Bainimarama needs reminding that we all still remember the instances where Laisenia Qarase urged him to ‘help move the country forward’ but Voreqe chose to sidestep the GCC meetings, resulting in the NZ meeting between the trio : Lai, Bai, Helen only for Bai to later rescind on his promises at that meeting.

    Not to mention the many attempts by LQ to meet with Bai months prior to the GCC meetings. It is worth mentioning in hindsight the chiefs were too slow and ought to have directed Ratu Iloilo to step down when clear indications pointed to an already sitting duck president. Something tells me most of them now looking back wished they had voted to retire Ratu Iloilo citing age and health. Promote Ratu Joni and appoint his Vice. It would have been a very interesting and different turn of unfolding events from what we have endured the last 17 months.

    All the same, Bainimarama is the last person to call on Qarase, SDL & NFP supporters along with those of us who are not politically affiliated but simple anti coupsters to help move the country forward when none of us is responsible for the economic decline, deeper racial divisions and further social damages wreaked upon the country as a direct result of his coup. He created the mess by disenfranchising the silent majority. He bloody well pick the pieces himself!

  82. iceman Says:

    Sa malo kai noqu Kata. Totoka a omudou cau mai na Frisco.

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