We have already warned you people of what is going to happen

  1. The illegal government is going to implement the recommendation in the Anthony’s Report on the media. They have already deported Russell Hunter, now they have drummed up some stupid claims against the Fiji Times and said the article was a threat to “Peace and Security”. Next thing will be the deportation of Hannah. The aim is to throw out all the so called expatriates that control the media as per Anthony’s report.
  2. The Court will rule for the defendent (the illegal government). For a start, the panel of judges hearing the case were all appointed illegally by the government and not following procedures laid out in the Constitution. To rule that Bainimarama’s government is illegal will mean they (the judges) were not even convened legally for the court hearing. Judge Gates could not hold himself back when he said their judgement was going to be swayed by public interest. What is public interest? It is to maintain the status quo and continue along this illegal path of tyranny, surpression of freedom, and violation of human rights while bending the law to meet their narrow agendas. Self Preservation is their main priority.
  3. They will round up all their perceived enemies who they consider dissidents and throw them in jail. This include Mr Laisenia Qarase and the more vocal members of the SDL, NGOs, Trade Unionists, Talatalas and Chiefs who had commented publicly against the illegal regime.
  4. There will be no election in March 2009.

The Pig, the Snake, the Arse and supporters are forever consolidating their power and if we don’t do something now then be prepared for a generation of dictatorship.

The people backing these illegal government, those in the background are intellectuals and they have been doing their homework for years. They have studies what works and what does not if you know your history most of their moves here have been tried and tested in places like Burma, Zimbabwe, Pakistan, Singapore, NAZI Germany, Argentina, etc.

This scheme to conduct a Military coup was hatched at the Girmit Centre in Lautoka way back in the middle of the Coup of 2000 where the Shyster and others went to look after the bullshit refugees and ended up having drunken orgies. The attempt on the Pig’s life in November 2000 and Qarase’s policy of appointing members of the CAMV and getting those sentence for the 2000 coup out of jail in as short a span as possible was like a lottery to Shaista, Gates, and Mahend (King Pin in the grand plan) because it just played right into their hands when they were trying to woo the Pig. If you go back to old Telecom Fiji and vodafone phone records you will see the constant phone connections from the Pig to Shaista, Shaista to the Pig, the Pig to Gates, to Mahend, to  Nazhat, to the Arse etc etc. It was old news at the army camps that Shyster has been giving legal advice to the Pig way back in 2002 regarding the murder of the CRW’s. How ironic that the Shyster as Director of the Human Rights Commission was helping the Pig who has just order the murder (the ultimate human rights abuse) of innocent soldiers.

Anyway, the point is that what our deepthroat from deep within the illegal government has given us the four tips highlighted above that has no slowly taken form. Having a deepthroat (a snoop) so deep in the corridors of power must be  giving this illegal morons hours of sleepless nighs and cold sweat sessions. Hey Pig, a little crack is begining to form in your inner circles eh?

MY QUESTIONS IS, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT THE FOUR POINT PLAN ABOVE?

ARE WE JUST GOING TO ADOPT THE BOILING FROG’S MENTALITY AND BURY OUR HEAD IN THE SAND LIKE THE OSTRITCH?

OR ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP LIKE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF INDIA IN THE 1940S, FILIPINOS IN THE 1980S, SOUTH AFRICA IN THE 1990S AND EAST TIMOR SO RECENT AND TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOM, DECENCY AND DIGNITY?

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156 Responses to “We have already warned you people of what is going to happen”

  1. Jean d’Ark Says:

    The thing that leads me to believe this post on a ruling for the defendants, is how quiet Frank and the Military Council are over all this. Just taking a line from their past behaviour, they only ever behave themselves when they know they’ve got matters “in the bag” (like with last year’s civil service strike). Certainly we haven’t seen any activity or mobilisation down at the barracks to suggest they’re concerned about anything.

    Also, the fact that the Pig conspired with Gates & Shameem before carrying out the 2006 coup, it would not be a surprise if he already knows the result of this case before it is rendered.

    But even if they don’t rule for the defendants, they can still try and hang it on a technicality, or else they’ll declare a minor victory in Qarase’s favour on just a few of the prayer points, but with no enforcement or relief or awards. That way the IG can just continue as they are and buy time for their elections by appealing the case all the way to the Supreme Court in the meantime.

    Of course, their last resort will be to abrogate the Constitution, but that option is fraught with danger. For a start, they can kiss their “better Fiji” goodbye, because that step will get them into all kinds of trouble with the diplomatic, donor and legal communities. Number two, you can kiss any legitimate international investments goodbye straight away, while local investment will also very suffer badly in any such legal vacuum. The military leadership would be hard pressed to convince the troops or anybody else that such a step would be in Fiji’s long- or even short- term interests. Finally, as we have seen from Chandrika Prasad, the Constitution is not so easy to abrogate as one might think, and it would be interesting to see how soldiers who have been told for so long that they are the final guardians of the Constitution, could then turn around and abrogate that very same Document.

    Kabukeiparisi is right in that a post-judgement Fiji could produce a very messy situation indeed. But it could not be that much worse than what we have already gone through to reach even the current unsatisfactory, unsustainable and unlawful situation. And at least a lawful solution has a genuine possibility of delivering a final solution – unlike the current Charter con-job which will never be able to achieve sufficient public buy-in or commitment to survive anything.

  2. John Veikoso Says:

    All rumour mongering, get a life people and do something positive. Rise up for what? cause more problems?? if your brain is worth 1 cent, do something constructive for the country and let those in power do their thing since it’s their turn now otherwise SHUT UP!! have a Nice Easter!!!

  3. Mark Manning Says:

    Fijians , either way , are fighting for their freedom and their lifestyle and the future of their children .
    The question is , what are you prepared to do and what can you do about it . That’s 2 questions actually !
    I would be lobbying all the International organisations , the UN , etc. and the unions , especially the Maritime Union of Australia . Stop peacekeeping and bring the wharfs to a standstill . Short term pain for long term gain . civil disobedience is a good way to go , go slow at work . You need to stop the money flowing into this regime and it’s supporters . Don’t lease the land at all . Start organising yourselves for a long sustained resistance . There is nothing the Ig can do about it .

  4. iceman Says:

    Jv magaibumu…. fuck off from this blog…

  5. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    Perhaps it is time for a RAMSI [Solomon Is] style intervention in Fiji.

    Peacekeepers could be sent from neighbouring countries [or the EU] to oversee the return of parliament and speedy elections.

    The peacekeepers could stay for a number of years to re-educate the military in its role in a democratic society.

    After all, it has been ex-military people who brought about so much misery in Solomon Is, East Timor, PNG etc. It has been peacekeepers who have brought about a degree of stability and respect for Human Rights.

    All this plan needs is for the real Prime Minister, Mr Q, to work out a plan and formally approach the neighbours.

  6. IslandBoy Says:

    Folks we need to do something more subtantial, apart from the march idea, we should come up with non-violent methods of protest,

    One possibility is a simply worded petition to the President (I know – just hang on a minute) in Fijian, English, Hindustani and Urdu stating all of the things we are unhappy about, such as the tax evasion scandal, de-reservation of native land, etc. framed in reference to all of the human rights abuses by the IG. Depending on the outcome of the court case, the ruling could also be an issue we include in the petition.

    The petition could be distributed by the SV blog site and we would all print copies and have our relatives and friends sign with their real names and all set a date to hand it over to someone like Mr. Leung, to take up to GH. The petitions would be copied to all the embassies, high commisions, international organisations and all local and international media.

    If the SV Editors agree could they suggest the mechanics. If not lets come up with other ideas we can implement and keep moving forward.

    We have to be prepared for what the decision of the court will mean for our people, and where we go from there.

  7. FijiCID Says:

    I am sorry. The problem is not the regime. The problem is the people. We seem to have given the impression that we are a bunch of manupussies who will never rise up. It has emboldened dictators throughout history – and their ball massagers – that is where the problem is – so its no point in raving and ranting – someone must have the courage to rise up – what r we – manupussies – the country is already going to the dogs – who gives a damn if it gets worst – we must rise up and be counted

  8. taukei Says:

    People, yield not to impotence (unmanliness)!

    Arise, Awake! And stop not until the goal is reached.

  9. taukei Says:

    Great Points: “The illegal government is going to implement the recommendation in the Anthony’s Report on the media. The Court will rule for the defendant (the illegal government). They will round up all their perceived enemies. There will be no election in March 2009.”

    TO DO AND DIE

    FOLKS: Strength is life, weakness is death. If there is any sin in the world, it is weakness; avoid all weakness, for weakness is sin, weakness is death.

    Ours not to question why, ours but to do and die.

    Be not in despair; the way is very difficult, like walking on the blade of a razor. Yet despair not; arise, awake, and find the ideal, the goal.

    Death is better than a vegetating ignorant life; it is better to die on the battlefield than to live a life of defeat.

    Activity is life and inactivity is death. Salvation is not achieved by inactivity but by spiritual activities.

    He who is always afraid of loss always loses.

    Everything that has selfishness for its basis, competition as its right hand, and enjoyment as its goal, must die sooner or later.

    Everything can be sacrificed for truth, but truth can’t be sacrificed for anything.

    If a man goes towards what is false, it is because he can’t get what is true.

    Where there is life, there will be death; so get away from life if you want to get rid of death.

    Conscious efforts lead the way to super-conscious illumination. Power will come, glory will come, goodness will come, purity will come, and everything that is excellent will come, when this sleeping soul is roused to self conscious activity.

    It is a great thing to take up a grand ideal in life and then give up one’s whole life to it.

    No claim is made by the doer of great deeds, only by lazy worthless fools.

    There is an ocean of difference between idleness and renunciation.

    This is a battlefield, fight your way out. Make your life a manifestation of will strengthened by renunciation.

    Dare to be free, dare to go as far as your thought leads, and dare to carry that out in your life.

    Any amount of theoretical knowledge one may have; but unless one does the thing actually, nothing is learnt.

    The road to the Good is the roughest and steepest in the universe.

    Character has to be established through a thousand stumbles.

    Fear is one of the worst enemies.

    It is fear that is the great cause of misery in the world.

    The greatest sin is fear. Do not wait to cross the river when the water has all run down.

    When there is a conflict between the heart and the brain, let the heart be followed. A man of intellect can turn into a devil, but never a man of heart.

    Concentration of the mind is the source of all knowledge. The very essence of education is concentration of mind, not the collecting of facts. We want the education by which character is formed, strength of mind is increased, the intellect is expanded, and by which one can stand on one’s own feet.

    The fear of God is the beginning of religion, but the love of God is the end of religion.

    Don’t yield to sorrow; everything is in God’s hands.

    The highest direction is that which takes us to God; every other direction is lower.

    Let not the fire die out.

    Ours not to question why, ours but to do and die!

    Work out the salvation of this land!

  10. taukei Says:

    Great Points: “The illegal government is going to implement the recommendation in the Anthony’s Report on the media. The Court will rule for the defendant (the illegal government). They will round up all their perceived enemies. There will be no election in March 2009.”

    TO DO AND DIE

    FOLKS: Strength is life, weakness is death. If there is any sin in the world, it is weakness; avoid all weakness, for weakness is sin, weakness is death.

    Ours not to question why, ours but to do and die.

    Be not in despair; the way is very difficult, like walking on the blade of a razor. Yet despair not; arise, awake, and find the ideal, the goal.

    Death is better than a vegetating ignorant life; it is better to die on the battlefield than to live a life of defeat.

    Activity is life and inactivity is death. Salvation is not achieved by inactivity but by spiritual activities.

    He who is always afraid of loss always loses.

    Everything that has selfishness for its basis, competition as its right hand, and enjoyment as its goal, must die sooner or later.

    Everything can be sacrificed for truth, but truth can’t be sacrificed for anything.

    If a man goes towards what is false, it is because he can’t get what is true.

    Where there is life, there will be death; so get away from life if you want to get rid of death.

    Conscious efforts lead the way to super-conscious illumination. Power will come, glory will come, goodness will come, purity will come, and everything that is excellent will come, when this sleeping soul is roused to self conscious activity.

    It is a great thing to take up a grand ideal in life and then give up one’s whole life to it.

    No claim is made by the doer of great deeds, only by lazy worthless fools.

    There is an ocean of difference between idleness and renunciation.

    This is a battlefield, fight your way out. Make your life a manifestation of will strengthened by renunciation.

    Dare to be free, dare to go as far as your thought leads, and dare to carry that out in your life.

    Any amount of theoretical knowledge one may have; but unless one does the thing actually, nothing is learnt.

    The road to the Good is the roughest and steepest in the universe.

    Character has to be established through a thousand stumbles.

    Fear is one of the worst enemies.

    It is fear that is the great cause of misery in the world.

    The greatest sin is fear. Do not wait to cross the river when the water has all run down.

    When there is a conflict between the heart and the brain, let the heart be followed. A man of intellect can turn into a devil, but never a man of heart.

    Concentration of the mind is the source of all knowledge. The very essence of education is concentration of mind, not the collecting of facts. We want the education by which character is formed, strength of mind is increased, the intellect is expanded, and by which one can stand on one’s own feet.

    The fear of God is the beginning of religion, but the love of God is the end of religion.

    Don’t yield to sorrow; everything is in God’s hands.

    The highest direction is that which takes us to God; every other direction is lower.

    Let not the fire die out.

    Ours not to question why, ours but to do and die!

    Work out the salvation of this land!

  11. Soul of Fiji Says:

    Another con job by taukei ni valeni bakava….definitely not a taukei…or just plain ignorant.

    E.g.
    The fear of GOD is the begining of Wisdom….lets see what the GOOD BOOK THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT TAUKEI or IG and supporters.

    Prov 12:
    19: The truthful lip shall be established forever, but a lying tongue is but for a moment {lying can get you to the top but won’t keep you there}

    20: Deceit is in the heart of those who devise evil, but Counsellors of PEACE have JOY {deceit is in the heart of the IG who devise evil; Counsellors of PEACE we have JOY; >> WE CAN ONLY FIND PEACE AND TRUE HAPPINESS in KNOWING OUR CREATOR}

    21: No grave trouble will overtake the righteous BUT THE WICKET shall be filled with EVIL.

    22: Lying lips are an ABOMINATIONS to the LORD, BUT THOSE WHO DEAL TRUTHFULLY are HIS DELIGHT { GOD hates sin such as Lying lips but those who are honest are a delight to the LORD}.

    GOD bless us and keep us safe over the weekend esp… SV team and bloggers.

  12. IslandBoy Says:

    This is probably a digression, but it concerns the weakening of Fijian institutions and traditional intra-Fijian kinship ties.

    Ratu Josateki Nawalowalo of Tavuki, Kadavu, has agreed to head the team to take back to the 14 provinces FB’s promulgation regarding the GCC.

    However he signed and was part of the Ro Cokanauto report collated from the fact finding mission of provincial councils which was relayed to the IG but completely ignored.

    So what platform will he use to launch his campaign, as he would by now have signed and agreed to one position and then champion and relay something that is diametrically opposed.

    Also how will he approach my own province of Rewa and Nadroga. One is the head of his confederacy (Burebasaga) and the other his chiefly tauvu, both are opposed to the NCBBF and the GCC restructure.

    In addition the young brave Tui Namosi, another Burebasaga chief, has supported the position of his chiefly relatives, the Gone Marama Bale and the Turaga Na Ka Levu and declared his position very clearly. Let alone chiefly provinces like Cakaudrove as the Turaga Tui Cakau has also declared his opposition.

    Looks to me like another IG strategy doomed to failure from the start and a complete waste of money. Unless this is of course their intention. It will be very interesting to learn the names of the other members of his team.

    When Rt. Josateki said on televsion news, team members would be announced next week, I knew some people were not going to have a peaceful weekend trying very hard to round up Fijians of decent standing willing to join this team.

    Could sending Ro Cokanauto et al in circles and then this new team, which to be honest lacks credibility, be all part of the NCBBF grand strategy?

    We should; (a) ask our rleatives from Kadavu if Rt. Josateki speaks for all of the tikina in Kadavu and (b) tell all of our relatives in the Provincial Councils all over Fiji to grill him on the morality of his stance should he have the temerity to front up.

  13. taukei Says:

    Soul of Fiji says: “TAUKEI or IG and supporters”

    Soul of Fiji must have an IQ lower than Koko the Gorillas.

    How dare you call me an IG supporter.

    I know more about SCRIPTURE than you will ever know in a million years, dude.

    So take your garbage and shove it up your *** dude

  14. taukei Says:

    Heretics such as “Soul of Fiji” will never learn (they’re just too dumb!) that the TRINITY is a grave heresy against the ONE TRUE GOD YHVH — who is one person, not two, three, three million or three billion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    HERETICS MUST NOT BE ALLOWED TO READ AND QUOTE FROM SCRIPTURE!

  15. Adi Kaila Says:

    @ taukei, I wonder if the SOF above is being impersonated by the real Soul Of Fiji.

    There’s a very insecure person who has been impersonating You, Tebara & I, and maybe impersonating LUVfiji & Tagimaucia as well, making out that we are pro ig – never ever going to happen gonei. This person is really very sick, as in mental. I’m sure the moderators can verify this by checking the IP address.

    I think the moderators will also find that this same person uses several different names to pretend that there are more people out there who support the IGnoramus. POTE! I am sure destiny, tag,ramusu & tagimaucia are one & the same as this sorry excuse for a human being has no imagination what so ever, the bile is the same & aimed at particular commentators,

    this is a woman who is extremely jealous & thinks she is the bees knees.

    What more can we say, she’s like her hero vore the bipolar galu.

  16. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    Adi Kaila,it is not a person; it’s col. dimwiti and the green goons that he has chained to his computers.

    Bunch of losers.

  17. My 2 cents worth Says:

    Show your passive resistance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    For the illegal regime to survive it needs money. This comes from your spending (VAT) and taxes (individuals and businesses). If you don’t spend, businesses lose out, the economy contracts, which ultimately means the illegal regime loses out on its operational and capital expenditure. It is a sacrifice for you also in the short term. You may protest in your small way, save your own money, educate your kids and yourself, and stall the money into illegal Government coffers, which is what finances their illegal work. The cash flow will be a problem. Hit them where it hurts. What’s good for you is not necessarily good for the Government in an indirect way.
    Some suggestions
    1. Food
    a. Take your own lunch from home, do not go out and buy lunch or eat out at restaurants
    b. Start your own vegetable garden and eat from it
    c. Give your kids lunch for school – don’t buy lunch, snacks
    d. Eat more from the market and less from the supermarket
    e. Buy in bulk e.g. flour, rice, sugar and budget it
    f. Make your own bread, cakes, jam, pickles
    g. Cook outside using wood
    h. Have draunimoli instead of processed tea
    i. Get food from family in the villages and pay them a fair price e.g. root crops, fish/meat (properly iced) etc.
    j. Make sure that that children, the old and pregnant women get a balanced meal

    2. Water & Electricity
    a. Drink water rather than juice, if you have a lemon tree than that’s even better
    b. Catch the rain water and use it
    c. Switch off the lights if you don’t need it
    d. Flush the toilet only for number 2 (not 1)
    e. Wash your backside and save on toilet paper
    f. Cook outside using wood
    g. Sit outside until it’s dark then go inside
    h. Use low wattage light bulbs or fluorescent tubes
    i. Paw paw leaves are a mosquito repellant
    j. Cut down on washing the car, watering plants, pathways etc.
    k. Fill the sink up then wash the dishes instead of letting the tap run
    l. Turn off electrical appliances at the main power point after use
    m. Save the pieces of soap in the bathroom, it can be used for washing the dishes etc.
    n. Have a short shower.

    3. Clothing
    a. Don’t buy new clothes etc. – only if you really need it.
    b. check second hand places out first (e.g. St Vincent De Paul),
    c. Hand downs from relatives/friends etc.
    d. sew you own clothes or modify second hand ones you get
    e. fashion your own clothes e.g. tie dye
    f. repair your shoes, don’t buy new ones if you can
    g. forget about what others think, if they really like you they’ll take you for what you are not what you wear

    4. Shelter
    a. Don’t buy a home if you’re planning to yet
    b. If you rent, pay on the day it’s due, not before
    c. Bargain with the Landlord – times are hard
    d. Get the landlord to make necessary repairs and improvements

    5. Transport
    a. Walk or catch the bus to work, forget about taxis.
    b. If you have a car, leave it at home.
    c. If you plan to buy a car, hold off for a while.
    d. Buy a bicycle, the fuel is free.

    6. Health
    a. Eat healthy, exercise, sleep well, talk with God
    b. Use the public hospitals rather than private if you can

    7. Communication
    a. Cut down on unnecessary telephone calls, write, text, email for free from a library if you have to (ask yourself – do I really need to make this call)
    b. Read the papers in a library or at the office or school
    c. Tell visitors to Fiji how you feel about the situation you are facing

    8. Church
    a. You don’t have to compete for soli’s, choir, dress etc. – God knows – forget about what man says. However ensure talatala has enough to support his family and work
    b. Thank God for his blessings however little you feel they may be, and ask for guidance

    9. Vanua
    a. Have small simple gatherings if you have to for occasions e.g. bose’s, deaths, births, marriages, birthdays etc. – do not drain your relatives and friend s as well. Keep things short and sweet. It’s the togetherness that counts not the lavishness. Jesus was born in a stable, died on a cross
    b. Respect your chiefs and elders, share honestly with them your thoughts and opinions, they should understand

    10. Entertainment
    a. Cut down on the smoking, yagona and alcohol unless it is free or supporting the business of a freedom fighter. Dry and tuki the kosa again or smoke Fiji tobacco if you have too. Get it from the family in the village and pay them a fair price.
    b. Swim free in the sea and parks for picnics (forget about the cinemas – if you have to then watch television – it’s free, and unsubscribe from a paid service if you have it)
    c. Stay away from pubs, nightclubs – spent quality time with the family
    d. Forget about holidays – stay home
    e. Read books (free from the library) rather than buying them or watching television
    f. Let the kids make and play their own games rather than buying toys from the shop

    11. Work
    a. do only what is minimally necessary to justify your salary
    b. there’s no need to excel under the current system – you might get kicked out for being too smart – it’s not for the entrepreneurs, high flyers, ambitious – success is seen as being obtained by dubious means at present, and they don’t want anyone smarter than them.

    12. Finance
    a. Don’t borrow (if you don’t have it do without it)
    b. Pay only what is minimally necessary for loans etc
    c. If you have a credit card – pay only what is minimally due then cut it up and throw it away when your balance is cleared
    d. Keep your extra money at home in a safe place – the interest rates by banks and their charges don’t justify banking what savings you may have unless it is substantial
    e. Start a small sideline business if you can, rotate the money among family and friends

    13. Education
    a. No one can take this away from you
    b. Support the children and encourage them, spend time with them every day with their home work and take an interest in their school work, praise them for their efforts even if to you it may seem trivial for them it is a big achievement
    c. Learn one new thing every day to better yourself

    14. General
    – Support democracy fighter businesses e.g. market, food parcels, juice, wheelbarrow, minibus, village, family, friends.
    – Most importantly – Ask yourself before you spend something DO I REALLY NEED IT?
    (Government likes spenders not savers because they always get their cut!)

  18. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Bravo @ My two cents worth for the basics, nothing like it.

    The sad thing is it will take a little bit more effort to convince the generation of today, don’t get me wrong! I do agree with you for these are the very fundamental basics and I don’t want to sound like I am generalizing because I know for a fact that there are families that do practice and live by these rules.

  19. FijiGirl Says:

    Something else that this junta will probably try is to ‘stuff the ballot boxes’ if they DO ever get around to holding elections, next year or whenever.

    Chodopu$$’s puppets have already raised the idea of allowing dual citizenship for Fiji citizens. This would allow those citizens who’ve already migrated (esp. Fiji Indians who’ve since moved on to Oz, NZ, USA, Canada, etc) to take part in national elections. Voila, his voting population will sky-rocket again.

    Also, he’ll probably try to rig the electoral rolls. So many of our Fiji-Indian brothers and sisters have common names (Lal, Sharma, Ali, Singh, etc) that it is the easiest thing in the world for one Mohd Ali to enrol in multiple constituencies. Chodo knows that our electoral budgets do not stretch to checking each and every name for multiple entry on the rolls. I’ll bet anything the Snake will arrange this. Similar things happen in India all the time, and an Anglo-Indian candidate even tried this in the UK, registering hundreds of dead voters in his constituency. Of course, in the UK they have the money to investigate this irregularities. But in Fiji… please, it’ll take years to get it straight.

    These men must be stopped.

  20. natewaprince Says:

    AK,a few postings back I asked Destiny one simple question,”Do you anyone by the name of jennydoe?” Since then she hasn’t appeared on this site,hahahhhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  21. Peace Pipe Says:

    Youre right Fijigirl. I did make a mention on the dual PR in some earlier post. My main concerns on dual PR were that it would take away employment from the locals and give them to the those who took off to migrate overseas but now induced to retun to Fiji by this scheming ig and secondly it would beef up the number of voters for those members of the ig who plan on standing for elections. Avery devious scheme indeed. I do not see the need to provide dual PR at this stage when people are struggling to find a job. Are they planning on bringing in these peoples cash into the country as another source of their revenue. It would be fine if they bring in large investment resources and not come in and take up paid jobs like charter authors samy and narayan are doing right now. So is the arses sibling rear-arse in as FBCL CEO. If this the intention then it is not noble at all. And like I always say all these can be facilitated by an elected government if there is merit in it. They are just doing things and forcing them down our throats because they are not accountable so they say and can enforce new laws as they wish. What a bunch of wankers these ig morons are. They are just interim for goodness sakes so they should just stop making new laws and get us back to elected govt asap which is the only role of any interim govt.
    And like FijiGirl said they simply must be stopped from all these other activities other than the preparation for elections.

  22. taukei Says:

    Thanks Adi Kaila!

    The bastards are truly very very worried and are having restless days and sleepless nights!

  23. taukei Says:

    Great points, FijiGirl!

    Looks like scumbag Chodo is desperate to get back to POWER….

    As you know, elections are very very very EXPENSIVE – what we should do right now is REINSTATE Qarase and then have elections 4 years later.

    Under current circumstances, BLOODSHED is inevitable.

  24. Peace Pipe Says:

    The stakes are too high for the pig to renege on his promise for elections in 2009. He already gave his words to the UN and PIF – not that his words mean too much these days. But the repercussions of not having are too much to bear. Everything will bear down on him if there is collective move to punish him for breaking his words. But as things look right now everybody in this ig and its band wagon are very comfortable with this new found power and glory that it will be difficult to let go. So the longer they prolong elections the longer they get to remain in power and benefit big time on this gravy train. As it is there are two schools of thought we are seeing now from these people – one is the pig keeps saying there will be election in 2009 whilst the snake says ther is no need to rush into elections. Somewhere along the line soon the snake and pig will split and the forces of evil will crash.

  25. taukei Says:

    Military rule stifles democracy!

    MILITARY RULE IS A CONSTANT DANGER TO DEMOCRACIES.

    Islamic states fall prey to military coups as religion and politics travel hand in glove.

    African nations too suffer from this evil.

    Military coup is always a threat in countries where democracy is restored after some time. Civilian officers in such countries try to maintain good relation with service officers even after restoration of democracy. They fear reversal at any time.

    After the coups, the senior most military officer takes over the authority and at times a Junta takes control of the nation. Fundamental rights are scrapped. Press is curbed. Constitution is abrogated or scrapped. The country is divided into zones and is under the control of a military governor. All senior civil servants who were on front benches would be now in back benches. Army becomes supreme. Entire police forces come under the command of army. Marshal Law takes over for duration. The existing civil administration continues, but it is controlled by army leadership.

  26. FijiCID Says:

    Chodo will not be long in government – he is going to be demoted and given the Sugar Ministry portfolio only- and later booted out of Cabinet – the Military Council will make sure that he goes – the $2million is now catching up – he has failed to buy them – believe me

  27. taukei Says:

    The following is a presentation by former Fiji Vice-President Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi at a workshop organized by the Fiji government, Society and Governance in Melanesia Programme and the Pacific Centre at the Australian National University, Canberra, on June 5, 2007.

    http://archives.pireport.org/archive/2007/June/06-14-comm1.htm

  28. taukei Says:

    Great points by Ratu Madraiwiwi.

    Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi says: “The commander may well have had good reason for excluding the ousted SDL Government, but it undermines his legitimacy. The Interim Government is unfortunately perceived by many in the Fijian heartland as the handmaiden of Mr. Chaudhry. Many Fijians are convinced this was an Indo Fijian coup. Still others think it was a Muslim coup because of the association with a few prominent Muslims…..

    The effect the commander has had in the short time he has had centre stage is profound. No other Fijian Leader, Rabuka and Apolosi Ranawai included, has so directly confronted the Fijian establishment and remained seemingly unscathed. He has in turn scorned the SDL Government, the Methodist Church and the Bose Levu Vakaturaga (BLV). He has had verbal jousts with those of chiefly rank…..

    As for inter-ethnic relations, this coup has seen little of the overt racism and tensions that followed the previous coups. The Fijian community has accepted the overthrow in sullen silence….

    What will probably happen is that there will be no inter ethnic reprisals but Fijians will more strongly endorse indigenously oriented policies in the government they elect. Political unity will not be the problem it has been, because of the preponderance of Fijian numbers. The key to the Interim Government’s survival rests on two factors: the performance of the economy and the holding of general election; and should the former improve by the end of the 2007, the pressure on the interim Government will ease slightly….

    No coup against a democratically elected Government can ever be justified, unless the regime concerned is inflicting genocide or some other heinous crime against its own people. “

  29. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    From ‘The Australian’

    Fiji coup leader acted outside constitution: Aust lawyer

    AN AUSTRALIAN lawyer for Fiji’s ousted prime minister today urged the High Court to rule that the December 2006 coup was illegal to avoid taking the country “down the path of Pakistan, Burma and Zimbabwe”.

    Laisenia Qarase is taking the court action against the government of military chief and self-appointed interim Prime Minister Frank Bainimarama.

    Lawyers for Bainimarama argued that the South Pacific country’s constitution gave ailing President Ratu Josefa Iloilo, 87, reserve powers to dismiss Qarase’s government and appoint Bainimarama in his place.

    But Qarase’s lawyer Nye Perram argued during summing up that Iloilo acted outside his powers in approving the toppling of Qarase.

    “The constitution spells out very clearly that it is the supreme law of the land, and the president was duty bound to act within the provisions of the constitution,” Perram said.

    The only solution for Fiji was one that respected the law, the Australian lawyer said.

    Perram’s assistant Rachael Pepper rebutted the regime’s argument that Qarase had acquiesced to his replacement.

    “On December 4, the second defendant (Bainimarama) had seized weapons and erected roadblocks around the town.”

    The following day he [Qarase] and his family were placed under house arrest.

    “On the evening of the same day, the plaintiff received a threat that he would be taken away to an island jail.”

    The coup – Fiji’s fourth in two decades – was condemned internationally and many countries, including Australia and New Zealand, introduced sanctions against the military regime.

  30. IslandBoy Says:

    @Natewa Prince – Bula Vinaka Kemuni! Who or what is Jenny Doe, please enlighten us.

    I did notice the lack of response from Destiny and since Adi Kaila protested, I have been reading all posts with the alert button switched on to detect the fake use of names.

    Whats funny is they dont realise its counter-productive for them as their faking it has the immediate effect of detracting huge amounts of whatever little credibility they started out with.

  31. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    From FijiTimes

    “Interim Defence Minister Ratu Epeli Ganilau said representatives of district in Cakaudrove Province had no power to stop National Council for Building A Better Fiji teams from visiting villages there.
    He said that no one in Fiji had the right to suppress the freedom of movement of any citizen.
    “The law is clear on this so therefore, any NCBBF committee can enter the 14 villages of the district of Cakaudrove to preach about the People’s Charter.”

    One sentence from this report jumps out at you.

    “He said that NO ONE in Fiji had the right to suppress the freedom of movement of any citizen.”

    I just wish he would get this through the thick heads of dimwiti and others at the military torture chamber.

  32. taukei Says:

    Solivakasama says: “OR ARE WE GOING TO RISE UP LIKE FREEDOM FIGHTERS OF INDIA IN THE 1940S, FILIPINOS IN THE 1980S, SOUTH AFRICA IN THE 1990S AND EAST TIMOR SO RECENT AND TAKE BACK OUR FREEDOM, DECENCY AND DIGNITY?”

    AND THE AMERICANS IN 1776

    Declaration of Independence — July 4, 1776:

    LADIES AND GENTLEMEN: The Declaration of Independence is the grandest, the bravest, and the profoundest political document that was ever signed by the representatives of a people. It is the embodiment of physical and moral courage, and of political wisdom.

    I say of physical courage because it was a declaration of war against the most powerful nation then on the globe; a declaration of war by thirteen weak, unorganized colonies, a declaration of war by a few people, without military stores, without wealth, without strength, against the most powerful kingdom on the earth; a declaration of war made when the British navy — at that day the mistress of every sea — was hovering along the coast of America, looking after defenseless towns and villages to ravish and destroy. It was made when thousands of English soldiers were upon our soil, and when the principle cities of America were in the substantial possession of the enemy. And so, I say, all things considered, it was the bravest political document ever signed by man. And if it was physically brave, the moral courage of the document is almost infinitely beyond the physical. They had the courage not only, but they had the almost infinite wisdom to declare that all men are created equal.

    With one blow, with one stroke of the pen, they struck down all the cruel, heartless barriers that aristocracy, that priestcraft, that kingcraft had raised between man and man. They struck down with one immortal blow that infamous spirit of caste that makes a God almost a beast, and a beast almost a god. With one word, with one blow they wiped away and utterly destroyed all that had been done by centuries of war — centuries of hypocrisy — centuries of injustice.

    What more did they do? They then declared that each man has a right to live. And what does that mean? It means that he has the right to make his living. It means that he has the right to breathe the air, to work the land, that he stands the equal of every other human being beneath the shining stars, entitled to the product of his labor — the labor of his hand and of his brain.

    What more? That every man has right to pursue his own happiness in his own way. Grander words than these have never been spoken by man.

    And what more did these men say? They laid down the doctrine that governments were instituted among men for the purpose of preserving the rights of the people. The old idea was that people existed solely for the benefit of the state — that is to say, for kings and nobles.

    The old idea was that the people were the wards of the kind and priest — that their bodies belong to one and their souls to the other.

    And what more? That the people are the source of political power. That was not only a revelation, but it was a revolution. It changed the ideas of people with regard to the source of political power. For the first time it made human beings men. What was the old idea? The old idea was that no political power came from, nor in any manner belonged to the people. The old idea was that the political power came from the clouds; that the political power came in some miraculous way from heaven; that it came down to kings, and queens and robbers. That was the old idea. The nobles lived upon the labor of the people; the people had no rights; the nobles stole what they had and divided with the kings, and the kings pretended to divide what they stole with God Almighty. The source, then, of political power was from above. The people were responsible to the nobles, the nobles to the king, and the people had no political right whatever, no more than the wild beasts of the forest. The kings were responsible to God; not the people. They were responsible to the clouds, not to the toiling millions they robbed and plundered.

    And our forefathers, in this declaration of independence, reversed this thing, and said; No, the people, they are the source of political power, and their rulers — these presidents, these kings — are but the agents and servants of the great, sublime people. For the first time, really, in the history of the world, the kind was made to get off the throne, and the people were royally seated thereon. The people became the sovereigns, and the old sovereigns became the servants and the agents of the people. It is hard for you and me now to imagine even the immense results of the change. It is hard for you and me, at this day, to understand how thoroughly it had been ingrained in the brain of almost every man, that the king had some wonderful right over him; that in some strange way the king owned him; that in some miraculous manner he belonged, body and soul, to somebody who rode on a horse, to somebody with epaulettes on his shoulders and a tinsel crown upon his brainless head.

    Our forefathers had been educated in that idea, and when they first landed on American shores they believed it. They thought they belonged to somebody, and that they must be loyal to some thief, who could trace his pedigree back to antiquity’s most successful robber.

    It took a long time for them to get that idea out of their heads and hearts. They were three thousand miles away from the despotisms of the old world, and every wave of the sea was an assistant to them. The distance helped to disenchant their minds of that infamous belief, and every miles between them and the pomp and glory of monarchy helped to put republican ideas and thoughts into their minds. Besides that, when they came to this country, and three thousand miles of waves on the other side, menaced by barbarians on the one side, and famine on the other, they learned that a man who had courage, a man who had thought, was as good as any other man in the world, and they built up, as it were in spite of themselves, little republics. And the man that had the most nerve and heart was the best man, whether he had any noble blood in his veins or not.

    http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/lectures/declaration_independence.html

  33. Adi Kaila Says:

    Happy Easter NP –

    that name jenny doe, jane doe or john doe is a euphemism used for a person who has died & cannot be identified.

    maybe destiny is already in the Danse Macabre tuiboto & not aware of it.

    BTW, Savua is still wondering why his paper on the role of the military has been rejected. Hello? Savua doesn’t seem to realise he is now classified as a fossil not only by the ig but by the majority of the public. Please don’t get me wrong, as I’m sure he would’ve had some very valid points but the military with vore & $50 at the fore is a white elephant. These two very immature men because of their lack of common sense do not have the nous to lead. This must be the only army in the world that does not have any qualified engineers, architects, technicians from all fields, logistics & economics experts.

    I’m still wondering if it would’ve been at all possible for Perram to call Andrew Hughes to speak about the 5.12.06.

  34. taukei Says:

    Excerpts from “Democracy is coming to the USA” by Leonard Cohen

    It’s comin’ from the sorrow in the street
    The holy places where the races meet
    From the homicidal bitchin’
    That goes down in every kitchen
    To determine who will serve and who will eat
    From the wells of disappointment
    Where the women kneel to pray
    For the grace of God in the desert here
    And the desert far away
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    It’s comin’ to America first
    The cradle of the best and of the worst
    It’s here they got the range
    And the machinery for change
    And it’s here they got the spiritual thirst
    It’s here the family’s broken
    And it’s here the lonely say
    That the heart has got to open
    In a fundamental way
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    It’s comin’ from the women and the men
    O baby, we’ll be makin’ love again
    We’ll be goin’ down so deep
    The river’s gonna weep
    And the mountain’s gonna shout, “Amen!”
    It’s comin’ like the tidal flood
    Beneath the lunar sway
    Imperial, mysterious
    In amorous array
    Democracy is coming to the U.S.A.

    Sail on, sail on
    O mighty Ship of State!
    To the Shores of Need
    Past the Reefs of Greed
    Through the Squalls of Hate
    Sail on, sail on, sail on…

  35. taukei Says:

    Democracy is coming to Fiji, folks!

    As the authors of the Declaration of Independence stated, governments are instituted among men for the purpose of preserving the rights of the people.

    THE PEOPLE are the source of political power, and their rulers are but THE AGENTS AND SERVANTS of the great, sublime people.

    Political power comes from and belongs to the people.

  36. Peace Pipe Says:

    The idiocy of Ganilua is quite staggering. For instance a couple of days ago he aggrandized plans to offer dual PR to people who had migrated overseas. So what will the effect of this be? It will mean more jobs taken up by these people who have abandoned Fiji in its time of turmoil for their personal benefit and progress. That’s fine since we all would like to strive for our own betterment but to return to Fiji on some shady scheme is detrimental to those who have stayed put in this country. There is a devious undercurrent motive in this move other than it being made to look noble. Secondly it will induce supporter of FLP to come back en-mass and try and sway the elections their way through numbers. Not that it will have a strong bearing on the result of the election but it looks very fishy and should be regarded as such. On the criteria of dual PR would these home comers be bringing in loads of cash or would they just leech onto the national economy like many are doing right now like samy, narayan and riaz.

    And in today’s FT news he again displayed more stupidity by telling us that “NO ONE can stop People’s Charter teams from visiting villages”. So who does this bumpkin thinks he is by telling us what we can or cannot do. He says everyone has a right of movement in Fiji. But we also have a right to stop anyone trespassing. This stinken charter is being touted around by this illegal team like their lives depend on it and maybe it does. This charter is another front we could counter this ig with by not supporting and letting it fail miserably. Already the Muslim league and Sangam society have stood their grounds and reiterated their non co-operation towards the charter. However we still have sympathisers in the Sanatam and Samaj groups who are still in the ncbbf. Even then their involvement has not made up a good percentage of national representation in the stupid committee so this charter is not representative of all people of Fiji and therefore must not be accorded any credence.

  37. taukei Says:

    DEMOCRACY means RULE OF LAW and MAJORITY RULE.

    Ratu Madraiwiwi rightly notes: “What will probably happen is that…Fijians will more strongly endorse indigenously oriented policies in the government they elect. Political unity will not be the problem it has been, because of the preponderance of Fijian numbers.”

    Important question: *Do the Benefits of DUAL CITIZENSHIP Outweigh the Costs?*

  38. taukei Says:

    I wrote: *Do the Benefits of DUAL CITIZENSHIP Outweigh the Costs?*

    For example, the *BENEFIT* from INFLOWS OF EDUCATED LABOR at the *COST* of maintaining Fijian supremacy.

    Will the Fijian people (the dominant Fijian majority) allow themselves to be eclipsed demographically and culturally (again)?

  39. taukei Says:

    THE TEN SACRED PRINCIPLES

    We hold these truths to be self-evident,

    1. That all humans are sacred beings that come into the world with equal unalienable Rights.

    2. That among these Rights are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.

    3. That to secure these Rights, GOVERNMENTS ARE INSTITUTED AMONG PEOPLE, DERIVING THEIR JUST POWERS FROM THE CONSENT OF THE GOVERNED. That these Rights may be constrained when, and only when, their constraint is necessary for the maintenance and operation of an effective Government that can secure these Rights.

    4. That these Rights may not be constrained because of religious beliefs, gender, sexual orientation, race, discomfort with the ideas espoused or actions taken by others, or any other reason that may be put forth to justify constraint other than that constraint that is necessary for the operation of an effective Government that can secure these Rights.

    5. That all children should be given the chance to grow, thrive, be loved, and to explore their potential to the fullest. That all people—whether children or adults—who have not had sufficient opportunities must also be given the chance to thrive and grow, to the fullest extent that the community can provide.

    6. That, as profoundly social creatures, we can only achieve our potential when we have the option of participating in healthy, supportive, loving relationships and communities. That participating in the creation of such healthy communities is the sacred duty of all Fiji citizens.

    7. That adequate food, shelter, clothing, health care, and other material essentials—in addition to free access to information, including the accumulated stores of human knowledge and culture—are necessary for these Rights to be realized. All who are willing (whether able or not) to engage in a fair share of productive work have a Right to have access to these essentials, at least to the degree necessary for the exercise of these Rights.

    8. That it is our sacred duty to protect the life sustaining biosphere and the diversity of living creatures.

    9. That—in addition to loving, cooperative communities—dangerous ideas, forces, delusions, and sick coalitions of people abound in our world, a world filled with deceptions and self-deceptions. These dangerous others can NOT be identified by the extent to which what they believe conflicts with what we believe. Rather, these dangerous others can be identified by the degree to which they act to deprive others of Life, Liberty, and the ability to pursue Happiness. It is our duty to help others come to understand these Sacred Truths and to enable The Way of Yo to grow into an effective force for healing our world. Simultaneously, it is our duty to continually recognize the danger of defining in-groups (Us) and out-groups (Them), for such definitions have been used to justify and encourage terribly evil actions against others.

    10. In pursuit of these goals, we will not guided by dogmatically proclaimed, fixed truths. All shall turn to the court of their personal, direct experience of the world and then, employing the Open Source Truth Process, join together in our collective attempt to formulate the current (best we can do at the moment, unfixed, and open to further revision by the community) Open Source Truths (OST’s) that guide us in our pursuit of these Sacred Goals.

  40. taukei Says:

    DEMOGRAPHIC POWER:

    *Taukei Political and Demographic Power*

    Ethnic Conflict

    Group size is important because size translates into greater political power within a multi-ethnic state, and group size can give legitimacy to demands for political autonomy and ultimately the creation of secessionist ethno-states.

    Greater group size also facilitates resource competition within multi-ethnic states, at least partly because of increased ability to manipulate the political process.

    Bookman’s The Demographic Struggle for Power is a very important book.

    Bookman gives a variety of examples of fear of Muslim birth rates in Europe, but she also documents fear of Muslim birth rates in India and fears of minority group birth rates in Kenya and Fiji.

    Similar fears may also be found in the United States because of the high birth rates and high levels of immigration by Latinos.

    Social identity research shows that people are highly prone to identifying themselves with groups.

    The result of these categorization processes is behavior that involves discrimination against the outgroup and in favor of the ingroup; beliefs in the superiority of the ingroup and inferiority of the outgroup; and positive affective preference for the ingroup and negative affect directed toward the outgroup.

    Humans are biologically predisposed to conceptualize themselves as a member of a biological descent group.

    Ethnic activists respond to the perceived need to increase numbers in several ways, including exhorting co-ethnics to reproduce early and often, banning birth control and abortions, curtailing female employment in order to free women for the task of reproducing, and providing financial incentives. Among Muslims, pro-natalist programs are frequently combined with anti-Western rhetoric motivated by the perception that the Western advocacy of population reduction is “demographic colonialism” aimed at lessening the strength of Muslim countries and ensuring Western political hegemony. Jewish activists both within Israel and in the Diaspora have been strong advocates of increasing Jewish fertility, motivated by the threat of intermarriage in the Diaspora, the threat of wars with Israel’s neighbors, and as a reaction to Jewish population losses stemming from the Holocaust

    Involuntary assimilation is another tactic by which dominant ethnic and religious groups increase their size and power by absorbing other groups. For example, in the 1980s Bulgaria prohibited the Turkish language and forced ethnic Turks to Bulgarize their names. Those who resisted were pressured to emigrate, resulting in the expulsion of 300,000 ethnic Turks. Forced conversions have long been a staple of both Christianity and Islam.

    Ethnic cleansing has been in operation across the globe since time immemorial.

    This phenomenon has been common throughout the 20th century, but it has increased in the 1990s, so that by 1992 there were over 20 million refugees from internal conflicts. At times this goes hand in hand with military conquest, as in the policy of settlement of occupied territory on the West Bank, the Golan Heights and the Gaza strip in Israel after the 1967 war or the dilution of Western Poland by Germans after conquest by the Nazis during World War II. In other cases, a target population is expelled.

    European-derived peoples in the United States and other countries experiencing high levels of ethnic diversity are expected to begin to perceive themselves as living in ethnic enclaves surrounded by dissimilar others viewed now in ingroup/outgroup terms. In accordance with the findings of social identity theory, we would then expect higher levels of discrimination against the outgroup, the proliferation of racialist ideologies of ingroup superiority and outgroup inferiority. As the society becomes structured around competing ethnic groups, between-group resource competition would be expected to escalate, especially during periods of economic difficulty, and this would be expected to further exacerbate social identity processes.

  41. aubatinuku-N Says:

    If those responsible have half a brain they wouldn’t implement Jim Anthony’s recommendation, let alone even consider it. This Jim Anthony is vile and a hardcore racist Fijian hater, I pray that justice prevails after all is said and done. As for Ratu Epeli Ganilau, he is fighting a losing battle, he is wallowing in self pity because the Lalabalavu’s (the rightful heirs) are in residence back in the village and he hasn’t been lucky in politics either.

    “No to suppression”!!
    “Yes to Democracy”!!

  42. Budhau Says:

    Taukei – what a waste of space posting that “Ethnic conflict” article in here.

    Why don’t you use you own brain and look at what is relevant to Fiji.
    The Fijians are getting close to almost 60% of the population. The Indian numbers are declining. The birth rate among the Fijians is higher, and lower migration numbers.

    So the group size of the “enemy” is not a threat for the Fijians. The problem is that Fijians, with the larger numbers, refuse to unite under any Grand Fijian Coalition – and why should they. The Fijians should vote their interests – the workers can vote for different groups than the elite/educated types. The rural folks probably will be sticking with the chiefs no matter what.

    Taukei was talking about some sacred principles – “That all humans are sacred beings that come into the world with equal unalienable Rights.”

    Are they all equal? so you would not have any problems with one-man-one-vote, or anyone for PM or President etc.
    Or do you think that some men are more equal than others.

  43. Mark Manning Says:

    http://fijisilenced.blogspot.com/
    Just for a laugh !

  44. taukei Says:

    Budhau, it is YOU who needs to use YOUR brain more efficiently.

    Read my post again and again and again.

    It’s obvious you missed a lot of the very important points I covered.

    For starters, READ Bookman’s The Demographic Struggle for Power.

    Then come back to me, dude.

  45. taukei Says:

    Moron Budhau says: “The problem is that Fijians, with the larger numbers, refuse to unite under any Grand Fijian Coalition – and why should they.”

    The problem is You, Budhau.

    Fijians did UNITE “with the large numbers” and voted for QARASE/SDL in 2006!

  46. taukei Says:

    “Population growth rate differentials also cause concern between races. For example, the growth rate of the black population in South Africa surpassed that of the white population, leading to the ever increasing questionability of the apartheid system and the pressure for one man/one vote. Racial differences in population growth rates also underlay inter-racial tensions in Fiji.” – Milica Bookman, THE DEMOGRAPHIC STRUGGLE FOR POWER, 1997, p. 83

  47. taukei Says:

    “RACISM”

    Racism apparently applies to anyone who resists DEMOGRAPHIC AND CULTURAL inroads of other peoples, while the equally ethnocentric interests of those who are colonizing new territories are implicitly assumed to be morally neutral if not morally commendable.

    GROUP SIZE & POLITICO-ECONOMIC POWER

    GROUP SIZE is important because size translates into greater political power within a multi-ethnic state, and group size can give legitimacy to demands for political autonomy and ultimately the creation of secessionist ethno-states.

    Greater group size also facilitates resource competition within multi-ethnic states, at least partly because of increased ability to manipulate the political process.

    Although there is a correlation between GROUP SIZE and ECONOMIC AND POLITICAL POWER, there are glaring exceptions to the rule, the most common being EXPLOITATION OF LARGER GROUPS BY SMALLER GROUPS with greater access to the forces of social control.

    Certain groups, such as Jewish groups and overseas Chinese living in Southeast Asia, have often been exceptions to the general pattern, at times showing disparities between economic and political power, and often obtaining high levels of economic or political power despite a small group size.

    Modernization brings with it increased ethnic conflict as different groups begin competing in larger economic and political systems in which, at any given point in time, groups differ in their numbers and their control of resources. Ethnic wrangling over the census has become a chronic political issue in the United States coinciding with increasing ethnic fragmentation, but these battles pale in comparison with those found elsewhere.

    INTRA-FIJIAN UNITY

    Qarase’s victory in 2006 showed the world the great power of unity — when Fijians (the Taukei) had abandoned their self-serving petty differences, forged unity, and emerged as a formidable opposition.

    TAUKEI POWER! FOREVER!

  48. taukei Says:

    EXPLOITATION OF THE DOMINANT FIJIAN MAJORITY

    A ‘STATE AGAINST ITS PEOPLE’

    GROUP SIZE is important because size translates into greater political power within a multi-ethnic state. Although there is a correlation between GROUP SIZE and POLITICAL/ECONOMIC POWER, there are glaring exceptions to the rule, the most common being EXPLOITATION OF LARGER GROUPS BY SMALLER GROUPS.

    Democracy depends on the rule of law. Democracy implies majority rule.

    The Bainimarama-Chaudhry government is a ‘state against its people’.

    To a very great extent, NON-FIJIANS RULE OVER THE FIJIAN PEOPLE, with disastrous consequences for the Fijians.

    Qarase’s victory in 2006 showed the world THE GREAT POWER OF UNITY — what Fijians (the Taukei) can do had abandon their self-serving petty differences, forge unity, and emerge as a formidable opposition.

    TAUKEI POWER! FOREVER! GLORY TO GOD! GLORY TO THE PEOPLE!

    GLORY AND POWER TO THE TAUKEI!

    AMEN.

  49. taukei Says:

    A ‘STATE AGAINST ITS PEOPLE’

    *EXPLOITATION OF THE DOMINANT FIJIAN MAJORITY*

    GROUP SIZE is important because size translates into greater political power within a multi-ethnic state. Although there is a correlation between GROUP SIZE and POLITICAL/ECONOMIC POWER, there are glaring exceptions to the rule, the most common being EXPLOITATION OF LARGER GROUPS BY SMALLER GROUPS.

    Democracy depends on the rule of law. Democracy implies majority rule. The Bainimarama-Chaudhry government is a ‘state against its people’. To a very great extent, NON-FIJIANS RULE OVER THE FIJIAN PEOPLE, with disastrous consequences for the Fijians.

    They have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind. The day of their doom is just around the corner, sudden and swift and sure. What goes around, comes around. Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Those who live by the sword, die by the sword: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

    If military dictatorship was to be the best thing that ever happened to Fiji since sliced bread, it would have worked by now.

    If military dictatorship had been this nation’s destiny, the people would have happily embraced it and not repelled against it.

    The only thing that a period of military rule, like we’ve seen on several occasions in the past, achieves is that it delays the inevitable.

    Qarase’s victory in 2006 showed the world THE GREAT POWER OF UNITY —
    what the Fijian people (the Taukei) can achieve when they abandon their self-serving petty differences, forge unity, and emerge as a formidable opposition.

    TAUKEI POWER! FOREVER! GLORY TO GOD! GLORY TO THE PEOPLE!

    GLORY AND POWER TO THE TAUKEI!

    AMEN.

  50. Budhau Says:

    Hey Taukei, you idiot – the Fijian unity that you have been talking about – we unite when we are threatened about the (perceived) Common Enemy.

    With your demography crap – the Indian numbers are going down, and the Indians would soon get to what Rabuka wrote in his book – manageable level – what will happen then, the intra-Fijian conflict that we see now will be intensified.

    BTW – just count the number of Fijian political parties in the last few elections – and you will see what happens to our unity.

    Now go ahead, call me an idiot – but the facts remain the same.

    Remember, even back in Buta’s days, we almost voted out the Alliance, and when we were faced with the possibility of an Indian PM (with the support from Tora), that scared the crap out of us – and guess what, we went right back to the Alliance.

    It is about time we faced the reality – this coup is more of an Intra-Fijian conflict – with one side the using the Indians to achieve their goal. It ain’t about non-Fijians ruling the Fijians.

    In 2000, one group of Fijian Chiefs tried for the power grab, this time around, the other group of Fijian chiefs went for the power grab – either way, this is about getting a ride on the gravy train – while the poor common Fijians get screwed – regardless who is in power.

    and BTW, my God can beat up on you God – you idiot.

  51. aubatinuku-N Says:

    @ Budhau: Butadroka may be gone but his red bow tie my dear boy is still here!

    “Tiki se warai ni tiki, qai qo e na qai ga” 😉

  52. Tim Says:

    @ Taukei: You make some damn good points (i.e. the real Taukei as opposed to the script kiddie that impersonates you from time to time, busy trying to lick Franks arse in a vein hope he’ll be rewarded some time in the future other than by a dose of pig shit)
    I hope when people read some of these things they do so critically. I.e. just as ONE example – your pointer to Madraiwiwi’s politeness when quoting “the Commander’s rhetoric”:
    “The RFMF could have carried out unconstitutional and illegal activities, but had not done so and will not do so. It believes in the rule of law and shall adhere to the Constitution. It not only adheres to the rule of law and Constitution, but more importantly believes in adherence to the spirit of the law and the Constitution.”
    Who SERIOUSLY thinks Frank is capable of coming up with a statement like that for a bloody start?! A younger family member possibly (though I doubt it – even if they were the offshore resident dysfunctional family members murmuring their idea of the meaning of life and the universe between inhalations of organic THC and other synthetic substances that will crystalise in the bloodstream a wee while down the track. Or perhaps, (and more likely) someone pulling his strings and stroking Frank’s pathetic little dick.
    I sincerely hope Fijians critically analyse all the mouthings and musings of opportunists and ego-trippers, acedemics and others (some of who have an attitude that they think gives them authority on the basis they believe they’ve “paid their dues”). Such people are usually at least “comfortably well off” or have reached that stage after indulging in what amounts to bourgois cliques, and usually they’re utterly out of touch with how people at grass roots level are suffering.
    One analogy might be the NZ activist so vehemently pro-indigenous struggle, right up to the point that she discovers the benefits of credit card Gold Status, marries a crim, has a few kids, and discovers the easy short term option. Shame she ended up behind bars. It appears there are countless in Fiji that fit that definition – that status also appears to innoculate them from any feelings of guilt that might accrue from knowing that their parents and ancestors would be rolling in their graves. Mara Mara Mara!
    They’re also the kinds of people that seek to impress, and often make issues a damn sight MORE complicated than they are usually are, in a bid to impress and exercise their ego, perhaps their greed or ambition.
    They may even be people who are flavour of the month (such as the luvly Victor Lal – flavour of the month because he happens to have a vendetta against Chodo, is smart, and by GOD he knows it. Someone who is in a far better position from 8 or 9 thousand miles away to denegrate others who may NOT fully understand the situation on the ground but who genuinely have, perhaps a naiive desire for the “outcomes” [pardon the PC bulsch-speak] that most are looking for).
    It also seems that a bloody big percentage of this judiciary fit the description as well, and if they don’t, they’ll damn-well be empowered by those that do to make a bullshit contribution (Gates, perhaps if he can stop dreaming of pubescent little boys, innoncence and idealism – shame he had to study law, but then he’s got an up and coming with a brown face that – and by God that will make a protoge appear even more legitimate! – Plus that protoge has a fag hag with politically correct, minority-status credentials who might even be able to PROVE she’s paid her dues! – even if she’d too stoned to realise Furthermore, she;d got some offshore Scutt who’s credentials ARE registered – so that makes for legitimacy -NOT!!!!).
    Such people think they have a monopoly on trying to be constructive and “move Fiji forward” (OR any other jurisdiction).
    Ratuva might be another example. (“Oh woe Oh woe! Alas and Alak!. I’ve been subjected to the rumour mill and the Coconut Wireless and much of what appears is so totally untrue – plus I’ve paid my dues, I’m smarter than those plebs who I feel for, so MY feelings should have much more credibility than most” – by the way – Have you seen my latest book?”.)
    It is like a monopoly on who judges what is good governance, who has paid their dues enough to be qualified enough to be in priveledged positions, who is smart enough to have the citizenry “at heart and their best interests”, etc. The reality is that all that is bullshit – NONE of them know best.
    What most of them forget is that people are looking for some sort of political representation, honesty, openess, and most accept that whatever form of representation is not permanent, and is open to challenge. (it usually fits with some sort of electoral cycle based on a popular, or other form of vote). It all sounds a little simplistic. ACTUALLY, IT FUCKING WELL IS.
    Those that can’t accept all that usually in their lifetimes end up being the losers. Check out the Zimbabwean situation – the guy might yet get a bullet between the eys and if he does, there won’t be too many crying.

  53. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Wow!! @ Tim 🙂 Buddy, I need a drink after reading all that, nothing new, certainly refreshing though!

  54. Peace Pipe Says:

    A very interesting documentary was screened on ABC TV yesterday at about 1pm about the political situation in Pakistan and the turmoil it went through right from 1958 when the first coup took place. It went on about all the intriguing events and subsequent coups that transpired up until the last coup. But what grabbed me was the story on the military coup instigators and the judiciary that oversaw the cases taken against the instigators. In many of the earlier cases the judiciary was in close liaison with the military and being inclined towards the military ruled in favour of the military citing something similar to Fiji’s situation as a neccessity and therefore acceptable. There is a parallel in the Pakistan story to that which we are now facing and therefore a similar ruling would come as no surprise. I have a funny feeling that the muslim advisors to the coup may have drawn their cues from Pakistan which is a country of their affiliation. But whatever happens from the court this ig will not survive the acid test and will crumble sooner than they hope. We will use people and brain power to this effect.

  55. Tim Says:

    Yep, well Musharif was never going to survive much longer than he did. He may yet not survive literally if people decide they want revenge. In Zimbabwe, it is well-known the thing that scares that tin pot despot the most is the prospect of having to face court in the Hague. His stubborness and arrogance is very similar to Franks – end result he’s left himself with no out other than exile -even at the expense of totally destroying the country and its population. Think back to Uganda – eventual exile was that prick’s only out.
    All this junta are doing is lessening their own long term prospects at the the whole country’s expense.
    What do you think will happen come say, 2010 or 2011 if Frank and co havn’t allowed free and fair elections? The entire economy will be spent on security details to watch his back – along with all his opportunist supporters.
    These guys are all so bloody arrogant they seem to think they’re being victimised when the world and the rest of the population see things differenty.
    Then they have some expectation that the neighbours should provide aid to prop them up because they know best, and are affronted when the neighbours suggest its actually not about them or their egos, but about people.

  56. taukei Says:

    Thanks Tim!

  57. taukei Says:

    Budhau: don’t bother responding to my posts as I don’t bother reading your posts anymore. You’re obviously an angry little kid with a lot of learn.

    Thanks to Tim and all other intelligent people here. VICTORY IS OURS, BROTHERS!

  58. aubatinuku-N Says:

    You hear that BUDHAU!!

    Loud and clear???

    Gooooood!!

  59. Peace Pipe Says:

    In continuation to the Pakistan story I wish to add that the situation in Pakistan now is different in some way to Fijis. This is because when Musharaf sacked the CJ there was mass uprising and protest for his re-instatement which was finally granted. So the coup monger is now in a precarious situation with his future looking ominous. He will have to concede powerand leave his fate to the ruling govt. So back in Fiji the CJ is still suspended and nothing drastic has been carried out to get him restored. Verbal protest by the Law Society were distinctly muted and had no impact and the society has since remained silent about the matter. The trouble is most of us don’t have fire in our belly like our Pakistani counter parts. The fear of indiscriminate victimisation is the biggest restraint holding us back. We must shore up more zeal and courage in the face of adversity.

  60. FijiCID Says:

    Budhau seems to be MC’s man – through and through – but do read him – he does give away a few tricks his master is up too

  61. FijiGirl Says:

    Tim and PP – I’ve said in earlier posts that the Fiji Junta is taking lessons from what’s happened / happening in Pakistan, Palestine, Tibet, Burma, Kashmir, Uganda (or any number of African nations really). The response of the international community has always been one of condemnation. The problem is that condemnation has never been suffiecient to instigate regime change.

    You do it either at the ballot box, or as we see in Iraq, with invasion. I don’t see anyone trying to invade Fiji (other than Chodo’s shady backers in Mother India). So we, the people of Fiji, have to press for those elections. We have to keep lobbying (in a peaceful way) the embassies and consulates in Fiji to press the Junta for elections. Don’t give the IR a way out, or they will take it.

    Thanks PeacePipe for agreeing that dual citizenship / permanent residency is NOT something we want in Fiji. I am completely with you that it will effect jobs. I have a friend from Bermuda who said that introducing dual citizenship & PR there had a devastating effect on their island. The majority of citizens (dual) were no longer living ON the island, but were still voting on local issues. So many proposals to benefit the community ON the island were overturned by those no longer living there. I can see EXACTLY the same thing, or worse, happening in Fiji, if Chodo and his puppets get their way.

    These power-crazed doces must be stopped.

    God bless Fiji.

  62. Budhau Says:

    Taukei, If you don’t read my posts than we don’t have problem whether I reply or don’t. ( so who do you think has some learning to do).

    Fiji CID – so you think I am MC’s man – well, last week I was the military’s mole.

    Fiji Girl – you right, India is trying to invade Fiji, they do have the navy on the way – Chodo called it in. May be we should get Australia to come in, did Qarase called them in – how would you like to see them Australians shootinng at Fijians (soldiers) in the streets of Suva. BTW – no one has offered anyone Dual Citizenship.

    Peace Pipe – when the CJ was removed in Pakistan, did you see them lawyers protesting in Pakistan – what have the lawyers in Fiji done to get the CJ back – signed a petition to the President.

    Tim on Pakistan wrote, “Yep, well Musharif was never going to survive much longer than he did.”

    Hey Tim, Pakistan became independent in 1947 – and since then we have seen one military dictatorship after another – so it is not about how long Musharraf survives – Yes, I agree with you with the Pakistan parallel – democracy does not seem to have a chance in Pakistan – and it sure looks like we in Fiji are going in the same directions – replace one dictatorship with another.

    and Taukei’s Fijians unity – what a joke. Maybe in politics we should not be trying for this race based politics – so do not work towards “Fijians unity” or racial polarization – that is counterproductive.

  63. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Budhau sounds just like Jim Anthony!!

    “The Indian navy is on it’s way” hahahah! What a joke, and this is a navy that no one has ever heard of, let alone travel halfway across the planet to do what exactly may I ask?

    If the Australian navy came, we would be able to trust them more than the Indian navy because they would not have an ulterior motive

    What a bunch of crap! Bring on the Indian navy, they are so insignificant the wheelbarrow boys could take them out 😉

    Let me remind you Budhau, whether or not the muslims are involved that this is the Fiji Islands we’re talking about. A special place carved by God himself in this part of the world for the Fijians and hell will freeze over first before you can think there is a slim chance in your crooked karmic life that Fiji will ever be anything but that!!

    You can take that to your grave too you wishful thinking nutjob!

    Dream on!!

  64. Qarauna Says:

    taukei, kerekere drau laiva toka mada ga nomudrau rai ni trinity i vale. kakua ni kauta mai ke, baleta ni sega ni vakaiVola Tabu na ivakavuvuli qori. e matata sara tu ga vakavinaka e nai VT na dina ni lewe tolu vaKalou. kakua ni via veisautaka me donu kina nomu rai.
    sota yani i valeni lotu nikua, gonei!

  65. FijiGirl Says:

    Budhau (or should I do away with artifice and just call you ‘Rajendra’?) – You are still an idiot. We all know you are still an idiot. You don’t need to keep proving it. Rest assured, Rajendra. You. Are. An. Idiot.

    And you always will be.

    God bless Fiji.

  66. Peace Pipe Says:

    Budhau, PR is already on offer by the IG as stated by Ganilua in the FT excerpts below.

    “Permanent residency plan is good, Ratu Epeli says
    Wednesday, March 19, 2008

    INTERIM Immigration Minister Ratu Epeli Ganilau says the new permanent residency status will encourage former Fiji residents to return and contribute to the development of the nation.

    Ratu Epeli, who was chief guest at the Vanua Levu Muslim League Prophet Mohammed’s celebrations on Monday, said the PR status was a positive move for Fiji.

    “This is the first time for Fiji to have PR status and it’s a good thing,” he said.

    “This is one of the great things we are offering our former citizens of Fiji who have gone abroad and made their living overseas.

    “We must give them the opportunity to come back home and help contribute in the development of our nation.”

    Ratu Epeli said he was confident many people would love to return home to help develop their motherland. “The fact that when you were born and bred in Fiji and migrated overseas, there’s always something to bring you back home and allowing an opportunity to become permanent residency status in Fiji is a good thing,” he said.

    Immigration director Viliame Naupoto had said the fee for the PR status was $3000 and the status was valid for five years.

    “The PR allows the holder the freedom to invest and set up businesses in Fiji and in doing so contribute to the economy and is a move towards changing the brain drain into a brain gain for Fiji,” he said.

    “The PR is targeting former Fiji citizens to come back to Fiji with their skills, experience and wealth and help build the nation that, I’m sure, despite their new citizenship, they still call home,” he said. “

  67. FijiGirl Says:

    Thanks for that confirmation, PP.

    One other thing. Another motive that Chodo has for allowing PR is that it will allow him and his family to continue their double-up status in Australia & NZ.

    I mentioned in an earlier posting that there are only either of 2 ways that Chodo can maintain properties and bank accounts in Oz & NZ.

    One is that he has dual passports, which is illegal under Fiji law.

    The other is that he has PR in Australia and NZ, in which case let’s appeal to the Govts of Oz & NZ to rescind his status because he’s a lying theiving cheat at the head of an illegal regime.

    Either way, its in his personal interests to not get caught with his hand in the cookie jar.

    The other obvious attraction for him is, as discussed, to stuff the ballot box with his voters. He must be stopped.

    God bless Fiji.

  68. natewaprince Says:

    Fiji Girl,don’t call him Rajendra,call him Karan.

    That’s the name he uses on his email address,hahahaha,wailei o Bigwhore!!

  69. John Veikoso Says:

    Iceman change your name to brewing volcano, Soul fo Fiji you’re the man. People my small contribution. RFMF is made up of 100% native fijian from all 14 provinces. They supported FB from 2000 to 2005 till now, so dumb heads do your first analysis, Chiefs like Naiqama and Teimumu representing two confredracies have spoken but none of their subjects including those in the Army obeyed them, do another analysis there. Read back in history, Army including Native Constablaries have been always used to control us natives due to our differences. So alot of this problems go back in history, So stop calling on the people to rise up, for what?? insted tell them to plant more cassava. God bless FB, IG and Fiji.

  70. Honest Says:

    I think Budhau should be allowed the freedom to comment on this site – even if he is Rajendra or Mahendra – who are already trying to bring media liegiskation to control press – or to suppress talk of $2miilion – I am surprised at the hostility displayed against Victor Lal – for what – revealing the money – maybe Budhau should tell us if he used some of the money to educate himself to be laywer – whoever budhau is, he must be allowed to talk – also he has some points – its no point only blaiming Indians – Fiji is run by takeui at the moment – they dont need to have to beat and oppress their owsn people

  71. Tebara Says:

    Seriously JV and Honest reading your blog is making me wanna puke rite in front of your face. You must be so blooming ignorant and freaken stupid to not see the writing on the damn stupid QEB wall. Soldiers are indeed majority taukeis with a few minorities thrown in YET you know very well its driven by money hungry, power grabbing usurpers who couldnt get through in life on their own merit sneakingly using the gun and its subject to grab power. As one is well aware of soldiers honour – will only listen and lay down their life through chain of command. With the likes of your VORE at the helm having his testicles pulled at will by the two wanna be kings of Fiji brother in laws ..Ulukau and Ganiarse. History is well versed on these 2 family receiving bribes left right and centre to get ahead in society because their intellect alone coupled with that of their spouses leaves a lot to be desired… Stepped in Chodo …the Aiyarsee and the fuk azzez … polishing each others behind … NOW JV and Honest ..ask yourself the question again … Who the fark is running the military …. !! levu ga nomudou vosa dou yavu kawa ni masivolo vei ira na tericoki …. !!

  72. Adi Kaila Says:

    let budhau express his emotive feelings – he wants us to be emotive which is really useless. He is being provocative & passing his obsession on to make us react with raw emotion & not with INTELLECTUAL ANALYSIS.

    Don’t let your gut reaction dictate a hasty response. Think about it & engage your intellect. Analyse & be rational. Of course we are hoping & striving for change but we must not let our emotional side get the better of us.

    I can tell from the way most of you write here that your knowledge of economics is far more than basic & neither are you intellectually feeble, so you all know what will happen if this craziness in Fiji is allowed to continue.

    As has been made very clear to all of us & the rest of the literate world the types (ig) that get rich by avoiding taxes, usurping a legally elected government to pay themselves big bucks will turn around & demand that the population pay higher taxes to fund their *&%#*^ policies & demand far more regulations.

    It’s capitalism – but here in Fiji vore is calling it ‘the clean up campaign’ he’s cleaning up alright, acquiring the accoutrements of a fine life, MAI ASO, that he would otherwise never have realised in the whole of his miserable life. There’s nothing wrong with capitalism if it is your own money that you legally earned or saved.

    Let’s reveal the hypocrisy of the IGnoramus regime who are all feeding off the fruits of capitalism that is being espoused as ‘clean up campaign’.

    Dogmatic?

    Absolutely!

  73. FijiCID Says:

    Budhau should be reading Victor Lal – maybe if Budhau is Rajendra Chaudhry than he bugger tell us if he was helping his fatharrrr hide all those mones in aussie bank man!!!!! Thick as thieves

  74. Soul of Fiji Says:

    Peace !!! Taukei, looks like I have extracted the wrath of the real Taukei…should have read some of earlier posting by taukei (obviously impersonators), well that done I still disagree with you on a couple of points.

    1. “The fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom” ….and not ….religion.

    2. I still think that violence will not solve the problem we are facing in Fiji.

    3. The use of Bible quotes and principles are very apt here…as “The Holy Bible” is the only book that has ever written that contains our or the universe Begining, the Present and what will happen in the Future.

    4. All the answer to our problems and that of this earth is in the Good Book.

    Just to add DEMOCRACY has origins in Heaven, if you want me to elaborate I could add it to my future blog

  75. taukei Says:

    Thanks folks! 100% agreed.

    Budhau is an ENEMY.

  76. taukei Says:

    Soul of Fiji says: “I still think that violence will not solve the problem we are facing in Fiji.”

    Soul of Fiji, no offense, but you’re an absolute idiot. Study Scripture thoroughly before making idiotic comments!

    The GOOD BOOK is full of war. Warfare was part of the life of the “Old Testament” people of God.

    God [YHVH] did allow the Israelites to engage in warfare with their neighbors at times. Exodus 15: calls God a “man of war” Isaiah 42:13 says: “The LORD [YHVH] shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies.”

    The evil surrounding us seems to be growing and moral apathy seeps in everywhere. But still God’s grace shines through. His love persists.

    As humanity spirals deeper into self-gratification, God intervenes. The entire Bible from beginning to end never deviates from this standard of justice as well as grace. The “Old Testament” is a record of God’s intervening in the human situation with a new promise of hope. The “New Testament” is the record of grace applied to people lost in sin and rebellion.

    While the prophet Ezekiel does not spare the wicked in his denunciations, he also records Yahweh’s words of grace: “If a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees and does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will not die…Do I take any pleasure in the death of the wicked? declares the Sovereign Lord. Rather, am I not pleased when they turn from their ways and live?” (Ezekiel 18:21, 23). And he goes on in verse 32, “For I take no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Sovereign Lord. Repent and live!” And there is this compelling verse recorded in 2 Chronicles 16:9, “For the eyes of the Lord range throughout the earth to strengthen those whose hearts are fully committed to him.”

    All these descriptions of God depict him as unwavering in retribution on evil, though he takes no delight in it, and also unwavering in love and encouragement toward those hearts are turned toward him. God’s obvious desire is that sinners should repent and live. But there comes a point where EVIL IS FINALLY INTOLERABLE AND WIPED OFF FROM THE EARTH.

    Pacifism is not an “Old Testament” ethic. Sometimes, to have been a pacifist would have been blatantly unethical.

    The “Old Testament” people of God were not pacifists. Capital punishment and killing in war were not considered different forms of murder. Such killing was not sinful. The days of the Garden of Eden were past. The people of God lived in the present. THE PRESENT REQUIRED KILLING some criminals. IT REQUIRED KILLING IN DEFENSE OF ONE’S PEOPLE AND HOME, and in the occasional deliverance of other people from oppression. At times it was required to fulfill the command of God.

  77. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Which one is the real taukei again??

  78. taukei Says:

    aubatinuku-N Says: “A special place carved by God himself in this part of the world for the Fijians”

    PRECISELY, aubatinuku-N!

    FIJI is indeed a SPECIAL PLACE carved by LORD GOD YHVH Himself for His SPECIAL PEOPLE – the FIJIANS (TAUKEI).

    In other words, THE PRESENT REQUIRES KILLING IN DEFENSE OF THE FIJIAN LAND AND PEOPLE.

  79. taukei Says:

    WAR IS A SOCIAL NECESSITY

    No doubt WAR IS A SOCIAL NECESSITY which nations practice in order to solve their social problems which defy peaceful solution.

    Human communities have plunged into fights not only for the mere accomplishment of material aims but for the achievement of moral needs as well.

    Some historians explain that in the absence of war, progress and civilization would have been hindered in some nations.

    Hegel, a pioneer of the study of historical development, for instance, says that change can take place only when there are opposing forces which struggle against one another so that a new product, stronger than the rest, issues from the clash.

    The evil surrounding us is growing and moral apathy seeps in everywhere. God’s obvious desire is that sinners should repent and live. But there comes a point where EVIL IS FINALLY INTOLERABLE AND WIPED OFF FROM THE EARTH.

    THE PRESENT REQUIRES KILLING IN DEFENSE OF THE FIJIAN LAND AND PEOPLE.

    Taukei Power! People Power!

  80. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Ya saka na noda bulago katakata e na siga e dai!! Oooo wi….au…i..ye!

    @ taukei:

    Sa dina! Sa dina sara!!
    And who exactly is going to do the killing?
    Who will they be killing?
    How will they be carrying out this killing?
    Is killing even necessary?
    Who is the genius that came up with this idea?
    What is your plan B?

    Who are you speaking for taukei?

    We agree on the part where God himself carved this special place for Fijians but I disagree with you on the killing part!

    Enlighten us please!

  81. Soul of Fiji Says:

    Taukei….so you agree with me in “Prov 9:10 The fear of the Lord is the begining of wisdom and not as you quote ….the begining of religion.

    I’m a bit horrified by your interpretation of the Bible. In the Old testament you referred to…it is that GOD is fulfilling his promise to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in that GOD will make them a great nation, by preserving or protecting them GOD causes chaos among the Isralites enemies, and that nothing will stop the fulfillment of that promise.

    Exodus 15:3 The Lord is a man of war….is the adulations of Moses to what GOD has done in protecting the Isralites….in fulfilling his promise..

    GOD promised them their new home filled with milk and honey and GOD wins battle after battles for the Isralites as long as the Isralites were loyal to GOD. {it is GOD’s fulfillment of his promise} When they turn away from serving GOD he allowed their capture and taken captivity to Babylon etc.

    Saying here “The present required killing some criminals…It required killing in defense of ones people and home”…shows how misguided your knowledge of the Bible and how scewed your thinking are.

    I’m saddened and will pray for pasiveness and calmness to come to you my brother, and pray for the Holy Spirit to convict you of your rass interpretation and resultant thinking.

    I’m almost likened your thinking to extremist Islamist who mis-intepret their teaching and resort to terrorism.

  82. taukei Says:

    DIALECTIC CLASH

    Hegel argued that history is a constant process of dialectic clash, with each thesis encountering an opposing idea or event antithesis. In the Hegelian view “all historical events emerge from a conflict between opposing forces (p. 119).” When the thesis is opposed by the antithesis, the “final outcome will be neither thesis nor antithesis, but a synthesis of the two forces in conflict (p, 119).

    Hegel proposed and developed the concept of “Controlled
    Conflict.” Hegel argued “that all historical events emerge from a
    conflict between opposing forces” and that change is a product of
    conflict between two opposing forces that produced such change.
    However, by creating, manipulating and controlling that conflict,
    Hegel proposed, it was possible to create a specific end result:

    “Conflict produces change, and controlled conflict produces controlled
    change.”

    The controlled change is referred to as a “synthesis” such
    that in the end, both opposing forces undergo change and cease to
    exist except as an altered state.

    By understanding and putting this principle to work, Hegel
    argued, one could create a specific end result and shape world history, simply by creating and managing a controlled conflict between opposing parties and opposing states.

    Hegel also believed the state to be representative of the Di-
    vine Will. He argued that the end result of a controlled conflict,
    was a product of reason and Divine Will, and had little or nothing
    to do with the will of the masses whose purpose was simply to
    obey.

    Hegel’s views were also consistent with and incorporated
    the theology of Martin Luther, the founder of Protestantism.

    According to Hegel, the synthesis resulting from the conflict between opposing forces and opposing states (thesis vs anti-thesis) represents the “march of God through history.”

    These forces create a thesis which encourages the emergence of an opposing ideology called an antithesis. In some cases opposing forces may desire to create an outcome according to its own thesis but this is not a practical result of any conflict and therefore a compromise must be reached by both forces. The forces that have created the conflict normally have the same goal in mind. This predetermined result which we call the synthesis is the only real cause and reason for the conflict. When a synthesis is reached the process begins again. The synthesis acts as the new thesis by which conflict is renewed by another antithesis.

    History is therefore a long series of conflicts, the greatest of which is the conflict of ideologies which seek to enslave the minds of individuals and societies to conform with a synthesis.

  83. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Oh please!! taukei!
    Answer the questions without having to copy word for from that book now will you!

    You must be a big Hitler fan, it’s quite obvious that you don’t even understand the applied concepts of what you are reading, boy!!

    Try kegel instead, it might help you get your head screwed on straight.

  84. taukei Says:

    Soul of Hell, take your garbage and dump them somewhere else, dude.

    Lord God YHVH is A MAN OF WAR, and Lord God YHVH demands the eradication of evil through war.

  85. aubatinuku-N Says:

    @ taukei: You still have not answered my questions!

    Enlighten us please!

    Leave that God forsaken book alone this time!!

  86. taukei Says:

    regarding scripture

    Soul of Hell, Lord God YHVH is ONE PERSON, *not three*, and God is not a pacifist, but a warrior.

    For “THE LORD OUR GOD IS ONE LORD” (DEUT 6:4)

    For “The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name” (EXO 15:3)

    *take your garbage and dump them somewhere else, dude.*

    *Lord God YHVH is A MAN OF WAR, and Lord God YHVH demands the eradication of evil through war.*

  87. aubatinuku-N Says:

    >>>>>>>@ taukei<<<<<<<

    The only one spewing garbage and vile, evil thoughts on here is you, sa kanaki tiko vi iko gonei mo yaloyalo vinaka sara biuta laivi mada na i vola kaisi qori nei Hegel.

    Wilika vakalevu na vosa ni Kalou, me rawa ni bu maucokona tu kina na nomu i vosavosa!!

  88. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Who is the Prince of Peace then?

    @ taukei.

  89. taukei Says:

    *Fear of God is the beginning of religion, but love of God is the end*.

    FOR LOVE OF THE ONE SUPREME GODHEAD IS THE HIGHEST GOAL OF LIFE.

    The Great Commandment

    One of the Pharisees tested Jesus with a question, “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” (Matthew 22:36 NIV). Jesus replied, ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV).

  90. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Exactly my point @ taukei:

    “THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT” is “LOVE”

    NOT war!!

    Or the killing which you are so hell bent on my friend!

  91. aubatinuku-N Says:

    See how you like to put your foot in your mouth all the time 😉

  92. taukei Says:

    ————-Even Jesus, a devotee of God, taught that to WORSHIP THE FATHER, THE ONE SUPREME PERSONALITY OF GODHEAD, YHVH, IS THE HIGHEST GOAL OF LIFE—————————————————–

    ——————–WORSHIP HIM ONLY————————————-

    *Fear of God is the beginning of religion, but love of God is the end*.

    FOR LOVE OF THE ONE SUPREME GODHEAD IS THE HIGHEST GOAL OF LIFE.

    The Great Commandment

    One of the Pharisees tested Jesus with a question, “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” (Matthew 22:36 NIV). Jesus replied, ” ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment.” (Matthew 22:37-40 NIV).

  93. taukei Says:

    Ever heard of Armageddon, dudes?

    You’re arguing with the wrong person!

    Take your complaints to Bananamaamasmamasmamas.

  94. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Thank you for confirming my point to you!!

    Which is: The GREATEST commandment is “LOVE”

    Not war!

    Or the killing which you are so hell bent on my friend!

  95. taukei Says:

    DEMOCRATIC STRUGGLE: The growing opposition between the dominant Fijian majority and the non-Fijians

    “True union, or love proper, exists only between living beings who are alike in power and thus in one another’s eyes living beings from every point of view; in no respect is either dead for the other. This genuine love excludes all opposition.” — Hegel, “Love”

    “Under democracy the state of servitude has nothing degrading because it is chosen freely and adopted temporarily, because public opinion does not stigmatize it, and because it does not create any permanent inequality between servant and master.” — Tocqueville, Of Democracy in America

    ********Folks, this conflict will become unbearable and exhausted to the point that through a revolution, the Fijian masses will take over and create a harmonious society*************

    Armageddon in Fiji, NOW!

  96. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Who hasn’t heard of Armageddon?

    The only authority on that is Jesus not you or your Bananamaammasmamasmamas!!

    Geez!! You are all over the place man! Have some backbone, be a man and speak for yourself instead of hiding behind your Bananamaamasmamasmamas!!

  97. taukei Says:

    aubatinuku-N: you’re sadly mistaken.

    It is “LOVE OF GODHEAD”, you moronic third-rate thinker.

    Spin your sh*t somewhere else.

    Ever heard of Armageddon, dude? Obviously NOT.

    Armageddon is a climatic battle to be fought on earth between the powers of good and evil.

    Choose your side very carefully.

  98. taukei Says:

    ARMAGEDDON

    Armageddon is a climatic battle to be fought on earth between the powers of good and evil.

    Armageddon in FIJI NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    An Angry Jealous God: “I have wiped out many nations, devastating their fortress walls and towers. Their cities are now deserted; their streets are in silent ruin. There are no survivors to even tell what happened. I thought, ‘Surely they will have reverence for me now! Surely they will listen to my warnings, so I won’t need to strike again.’ But no; however much I punish them, they continue their evil practices from dawn till dusk and dusk till dawn.” So now the LORD says: “Be patient; the time is coming soon when I will stand up and accuse these evil nations. For it is my decision to gather together the kingdoms of the earth and pour out my fiercest anger and fury on them. All the earth will be devoured by the fire of my jealousy. “On that day I will purify the lips of all people, so that everyone will be able to worship the LORD together. My scattered people who live beyond the rivers of Ethiopia will come to present their offerings. (Zephaniah 3:6-10 NLT)

    Armageddon in FIJI NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    God Will Kill Everyone: “I will sweep away everything in all your land,” says the LORD. “I will sweep away both people and animals alike. Even the birds of the air and the fish in the sea will die. I will reduce the wicked to heaps of rubble, along with the rest of humanity,” says the LORD. “I will crush Judah and Jerusalem with my fist and destroy every last trace of their Baal worship. I will put an end to all the idolatrous priests, so that even the memory of them will disappear. For they go up to their roofs and bow to the sun, moon, and stars. They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech, too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do. They no longer ask for the LORD’s guidance or seek my blessings.” (Zephaniah 1:2-6 NLT)

    Armageddon in FIJI NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  99. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Well 😉

    It would only take another “MORONIC THIRD – RATE THINKER” to recognize one then! :L :L

    So……..In one breath you say

    “SPIN YOUR SH*T”

    “CLIMATIC BATTLE FOUGHT ON EARTH BETWEEN THE POWERS OF GOOD AND EVIL”

    And “CHOOSE YOUR SIDE VERY CAREFULLY”

    So which side are you on then fellow “MORONIC THIRD RATE THINKER”??
    A little confuse are we?

  100. aubatinuku-N Says:

    @ taukei

    Wow!!

    You have just confirmed!!

    taukei is a serious Hegel/Hitler lover NUTJOB!!

  101. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Oh! I am sorry, did you just totally miss the part where you agree and disagree with yourself?

    DUDE!!

    The only authority on this “climatic battle” you talk of is JESUS!!

    Not you or your beloved Bananamaamanaanmamaamanas!!

    “GROW UP”!!

  102. taukei Says:

    WAR

    The Lord approves of war only as a last means for his People to defend their families, property, rights, privileges, and freedoms.

    WE SEEK TO DEFEND OUR PEOPLE, OUR RIGHTS, OUR COUNTRY.

    WE ARE JUSTIFIED IN DEFENDING OURSELVES AND OUR PROPERTY.

    We believe in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.

    ********Folks, this conflict will become unbearable and exhausted to the point that through a revolution, the Fijian masses will take over and create a harmonious society*************

    The great and dreadful day of the Lord is near.

    The day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night.

    The wicked to slay the wicked.

    War will be poured out upon all nations.

    Armageddon in FIJI—-NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Battle of Armageddon in FIJI — NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!

  103. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Galu mada vakarorogo your Kaji lailai!!

    Tamata sigai tu ni dua na nomu drotini!!

    Speak for your own bloody self!!

    Kaisi na nomu tovo ni rai, vakasama kei na i vosavosa!

    You and people like you are a shame to the Fijian race!

    O iko na kai vei?
    Yasana cava?
    Cava na nomu koro?
    Suka tale vei tamamu vata i tinamu lai kerea vi rau me rau vakavulici iko vinaka tale mada!!
    O iko baraca yaga mo lolo vakalevu!!

    Your interpretation of the word of GOD is all messed up!
    Makes me wonder what church you go to!
    What kind of people spawned evil like you?

  104. FijiGirl Says:

    Adi Kaila – You are right, Budhau/Rajendra does have a right to express himself on this website. But equally, I have the right to remind him that he is an idiot, and his are therefore expressions are idiotic.

    You are again correct that Bujendra is just trying to distract bloggers from the issues at hand. It’s a classic tactic of theives and other evil-doers.

    Btw, taukeia & aubatinuku-N – you’re taking up an awful lot of commentary, simply trading blows but landing no punches. Get a room, guys!

    The issue at hand is: What are we going to DO about the situation? Are we going to behave like the boiling frog? Are we going to blog ourselves to death or complacency?

    I really liked the ideas of ‘My 2 cents worth’, much earlier in this blog.

    One thing I would add to M2CW’s list is that in the churches we need to find a hymn that represents our rejection of this administration. Something that can be sung in churches, on buses, and (won’t this be fun!) at rugby matches as an anthem of solidarity AGAINST the IG and for democracy. Something akin to ‘Nkosi Sikeleli Afrika’ which worked to show rejection of apartheid in Sth Africa.

    I’m sure you bloggers have your favourites. Any suggestions?

    God bless Fiji.

  105. aubatinuku-N Says:

    You hear that fellow moron!
    We’re taking up too much room and no punches, if I get a room with you I will “ARMAGEDDON” your ass!!

    Sa dri yani @ Adi Kaila!
    Talk to Seru Serevi about your idea!

    Don’t get me wrong though, I like it!

    Good night folks 😉

  106. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Correction!

    @ FijiGirl: Good idea!
    Talk to Seru Serevi!!

  107. Soul of Fiji Says:

    Bloggers we have a sheep in wolfs clothing on this site and he is a lunatic confirmed by his utterance above, ignore him/her …..FG a song would be a nice start.

  108. taukei Says:

    Good points, FijiGirl.

    aubatinuku-N needs to CHOOSE HIS FIGHTS MORE CAREFULLY and take his complaints to banamaramasdamafatamanasananananansjajas.

    He has obviously chosen the wrong opponent.

    Take your garbage and dump them in banasramasmas’s backyard, dude.

  109. taukei Says:

    Good points, FijiGirl.

    aubatinuku-N needs to CHOOSE HIS FIGHTS VERY CAREFULLY NEXT TIME and take his complaints to banamaramasdamafatamanasananananansjajas.

    He has obviously picked the wrong opponent.

    Take your garbage and dump them in banasramasmas’s backyard, dude.

  110. taukei Says:

    *Dear God Help Us To Kill Them*

    The War Prayer By Mark Twain

    “O Lord our Father, our young patriots, idols of our hearts, go forth to battle — be Thou near them! With them — in spirit — we also go forth from the sweet peace of our beloved fire sides to smite the foe.

    O Lord our God, help us to tear their soldiers to bloody shreds with our shells;

    help us to cover their smiling fields with the pale forms of their patriot dead

    help us to drown the thunder of the guns with the shrieks of their wounded, writhing in pain;

    help us to lay waste their humble homes with a hurricane of fire;

    help us to wring the hearts of their unoffending widows with unavailing grief; help us to turn them out roofless with little children to wander unfriended the wastes of their desolated land in rags and hunger and thirst,

    sports of the sun flames of summer and the icy winds of winter, broken in spirit, worn with travail, imploring Thee for the refuge of the grave and denied it

    — for our sakes who adore Thee, Lord, blast their hopes, blight their lives, protract their bitter pilgrimage, make heavy their steps, water their way with their tears, stain the white snow with the blood of their wounded feet! We ask it, in the spirit of love, of Him Who is the Source of Love, and Who is the ever-faithful refuge and friend of all that are sore beset and seek His aid with humble and contrite hearts. Amen.”

    — Mark Twain, “The War Prayer”.

  111. aubatinuku-N Says:

    Sipi tiko vei iko?

  112. taukei Says:

    War Before Peace

    “We make war that we may live in peace.”—Aristotle

    “But what do we mean by the American Revolution? Do we mean the American War? The revolution was effected before the war commenced. The revolution was in the minds and hearts of the people.”—Geoffrey F. Abert

    “Life is not advancement. It is growth. It does not move upward, but expands outward, in all directions.”—Russell G. Alexander

    “What is not good for the swarm is not good for the bee.”—Marcus Aurelius Antoninus

    “Beware of the man of one book.”—Saint Thomas Aquinas

  113. taukei Says:

    The Bible attributes the cause of wars to the following three things:

    First, war is the result of a sinful fallen world (James 4:1-2).

    Secondly, wars are the result of God’s judgment (2 Samuel 12:10).

    Third, wars can be the result of God’s decree or decision (Deuteronomy 25:17-19, Exodus 17:14-16).

    War is sometimes a necessary tool of God against sinful people.

    The first war took place in heaven when Lucifer rose up in rebellion against God in heaven and was consequently cast down to earth (Isaiah 14:12-17; Ezekiel 28:11-19; Revelation 12:3-4). Here we see the heart of war in the proud rebellion of Satan. It was the desire for self-rule and self-exaltation and the desire to rule over others that led to the first war and wherever war is found today these same desires.

    The first mention of war in the bible is found in the book of Genesis 14.

    First, war is rooted in rebellion (Genesis 14:1-4).

    Second, war always affects innocent victims (Genesis 14:5-12).

    Three, war is sometimes just (Genesis 14:13-16).

    Fourth, those with a right view of war know that victory comes from the Lord (Genesis 14:17-24).

    The Bible shows that God fights for His people on a number of occasions. The Exodus and conquest of Canaan was made with the understanding that God would fight on behalf of His people (Exodus 14:13-14, Deuteronomy 20:1-4).

    God fights for His people. He fights on behalf of the innocent and oppressed. And those who take up arms in a righteous and just conflict trust in God to lead and protect them.

    Fifth, those with a right view of war do not enter into it with the ambition to enrich themselves (Genesis 14:21-24).

    Lastly, those who take up arms in just honorable conflict trusting in God are rewarded by God (Genesis 15:1-6).

  114. Qarauna Says:

    I can see that our friend taukei is seriously messed up. I wonder what he’s been taking lately (like Shameem?)
    taukei, can you take your messed up bible interpretation, resulting in your poor pr and messed up poor logic, and share it with VB. kerekere mada.
    drau sa leqa saraga valevu o kemudrau, gonei!!

  115. Qarauna Says:

    you will see that the texts taukei uses to justify his war call and mentaility are from the Old Testament. it is as if the New Testament does not exist. he fails to note that when Jesus came, some things in the OT have been re-interpreted, a few even no longer can be interpreted literally, as taukei is doing here.
    tuakei’s method amounts to twisting scripture to suit his agenda. enjoy your holiday mada, gonei! maybe it’ll refresh your reading of the Bible.

  116. Justice Says:

    People, you are all wasting your time.

    Be Godly in all your ways.

    People are also misinterpreting the Bible here and saying what is prohibited by our good Lord.

    Many of you are good people, attending church, pray, lolo etc….but when you think no one is watching..you become the opposite of the goodness the Lord wants us in Galatians 5:22-23.

    Remeber the Lord sees, hears all that we do.

    Our answer lies with God and God alone. Let God’s will be done and not ours. We can only pray that God helps us to see the real intention of whats happening all around us. Therefore it will truly help us understand and discern on what is happening around us.

    Shall we hate our enemies…NO….the Bible says …we pray for them.

    I urge us to truly follow the WORD OF GOD…..All our answers are there.

    God bless all of you.
    …………………………………………………………………………………………..

  117. Weletidreu Says:

    I like the comments of Taukei..different from others until the bible came to it. IF people think that its right to fight and win by all means lets do it…if blogging is the way to do it, lets do that too.., Lets fight whatever it takes to win.IMO there is no right way but every way is right, if it contributes to the common objective. If you believe praying will get us there, well then lets do that too…come hell or high water lets get rid of these bastards and lock them up for good once and for all. Down with the illegal government.

  118. Weletivou Says:

    @Weletidreu.

    Vinaka na vosa vakamatau; bera vakalevu !! 😉

  119. taukei Says:

    THE SAD NECESSITY FOR WAR

    ****War: a sad necessity in this cracked world****

    The sad paradox of living in this Hospice, this Inn for Travelers which is our world, is that war and conflict seem to be almost a necessity. The somber analysis given by Augustine in the fifth century seems now all too true:

    “The City of Man, for the most part, is a city of contention with opinions divided by foreign wars and domestic quarrels and by the demands for victories which either end in death or are merely momentary respites from further war. The reason is that whatever part of the city of the world raises the standard of war, it seeks to be lord of the world, when, in fact, it is consumed by its own wickedness.” — City of God, 15.4

    In the last 70 years, the United States has been involved in five major conflicts and numerous minor ones. Other nations have suffered much more. It seems that at every period of human history there have been wars going on throughout the world, tribe against tribe, nation against nation, indeed religion against religion. The result has been that … No people can feel so secure that they should not dread invasions that are hostile to life (City of God, 17.13).

    Hobbes’ somber observation that “Man is a wolf to man!” seems all too true. If there is any injustice in the statement, it is against the poor wolves. They kill only for survival. We sometimes kill just for the fun of it. As Augustine observed:

    God knew that human beings would sin and that they would go so far in their sinful viciousness that even the irrational beasts would live more securely and peacefully with each other than would human beings. Indeed, neither lions nor dragons have ever waged such wars with their own kind as human beings have fought with each other (City of God, 12.23).

    We humans continue to want peace and dream of peace, hoping against hope that the prophecy of Isaiah will finally come true (Isaiah 2: 2-5).

    His prediction of the future is indeed encouraging but the cry of Joel seems to be a better description of our present situation:

    “Declare this among the nations:proclaim a war,rouse the warriors to arms! Let all the soldiers report and march! Beat your plowshares into swords,and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak man say, “I am a warrior!” — Joel 4: 9-10

    The difference in the two passages is that Isaiah is speaking about the world to come; Joel speaks of this world.

    The call to “come to the mountain” is a call to look to the heavens, not search the earth. We have received the “instructions” about how to live this life that Isaiah talks about. They come to us through the Sacred Scriptures, through the words and life of Jesus Christ, through the great prophets and thinkers of every religion, through the conscience of every individual. We have received the instructions on how to reach the “mountain” but more often than not we have not listened.

    That this is a world in which violence is common is reflected in the two basic principles that should guide humanity: the so-called Golden Rule (“Don’t do unto others what you don’t want done to you”) and Do No Harm (“Do Good to others, rescue them when you can, and do not harm them unnecessarily”)

    If we lived in a perfect world, the only moral rule would be to “Love” others. The fact that we have principles telling us to limit our harm is a sign that we live in a world where love and peace will not always be realized, where there will be conflict between “man and man” between “wolf and wolf”, indeed between “wolf and lamb”.

    It is paradoxical that war seems to be a necessity this Hospice for Travelers.

    Though it is unlikely that we will find conflict when we come to “check out” (how can you argue with a bill made out by God), as long as we live here there will always be the danger of war: war between room-mates, war between rooms, war between the various disparate sections of the Inn.

    Why is this the case if everyone wants the happiness of peace? The reason is that each one wants their sort of peace and, because we are all half-cracked, these “wants” often conflict with each other. Not everyone has (or thinks they have) the means to live well, their fair share of respect, the autonomy to control their lives, the gift of loving and being loved. At least 50% of the guests do not get enough to eat. 80% live in substandard housing. Over 500 million are at any moment experiencing war, imprisonment, torture, and starvation. These, (along with the simple desire to hurt others for recreation) are the seeds of war, and such seeds have always been and will always be part of our lives.

    In dealing with this “condition of war” we must of course pray for peace and hope for peace but we must also be prepared to deal with the wars and discord that will inevitably affect our lives. Certainly we should be messengers of peace, but we must also be able and willing to respond to attacks against those we love, those under our care, against those ideals to which we have dedicated our lives. In Augustine’s view, when wars are waged for such good and noble purposes they must be said to be “righteous wars”. (Against Faustus the Manichean, 22.75)

    Of course the non-violent way to resolve conflict preached by Gandhi and Martin Luther King is preferable, but this does not mean that we should be passive in the face of injustice. As Augustine wrote long ago:

    “Wars are always unfortunate but it would be more unfortunate for the unjust to triumph over the just. The necessity of going to war to prevent this may certainly be regarded by good people as being a blessed course of action.” — City of God, 4.14

    There is no moral problem in choosing to give up our lives rather than to strike out against others threatening us; but is it not an injustice to remain passive when those we love, when the innocent, when the defenseless come under such attack? Does it make sense when others for one reason or another (even reasons that they feel have the highest moral justification) attack the ideals we live by, the church we believe in, the community that nourishes us, to stand by and let the vicious oppressors have their way? Augustine, himself a child of violent times, believed that the very injustice of such attacks imposes the duty to go to war against them (City of God, 19.7).

    Some object that such violent response was forbidden by Jesus when he told us to “turn the other cheek”, to remain passive and pray rather than fight. Augustine answers:

    “Christ’s command not to resist evil was intended to forestall our taking the kind of delight in revenge which feeds on another’s misfortune. It was not meant to encourage us to neglect the correction of others.” —Letter 47, 5

    The charity of Jesus is of course manifested best by trying to avoid war as much as possible but, when it needs to be waged, that same charity commands only that it be carried on with a kindly spirit. This was the message that Augustine sent to the imperial official Marcellinus who was charged with putting down the constant conflicts in North Africa:

    “We should not return evil for evil but it is also true that sometimes we must act with a kind severity when we are trying to make the disorderly change their ways. Thus, an earthly state following the teachings of Christ will wage its wars with kindness and base the peace that follows on godliness and justice, being sensitive to the needs of the conquered.” —Letter 138, 2.14.

    To say that war must never be waged for the sake of truth, for the sake of justice, is to create the impression that there is no truth, that one belief is as good as another, that I should be happy to embrace any way of thinking that is imposed upon me. It is to imply that there is no such a thing as justice, that there are no “rights” or “wrongs”, that therefore there are no “wrongs” to be “righted”. Indeed, it is to imply that there is no such thing as “rationality” and that chaos and disorder is and should be the rule of the day.

    To give away all these things (truth, justice, rationality) is to reduce life in this Hospice, not to a “law of the jungle” (for even a jungle has its own order and its denizens have their own rules of behavior), but to something infinitely worse. It is to reduce this world to a place without law, an anarchy in which there is no meaning. But if this is all there is to life, why should we worry about getting through our days with some nobility? In the midst of chaos the last thread of rationality should dictate that we exit as soon as possible. Even oblivion is better than the chaos that is left behind.

    Augustine firmly believed that the truly great leaders are not those who stay passive in the face of such chaos. Rather they are those who, after trying to bring order with a “word” rather than a “sword, are not above using the sword, … those who, through toil and danger with the help of God are able to conquer a seemingly invincible foe and thereby bring peace and order to the community.” — Letter 229, 1

    He believed that the good ruler should indeed wage war with tears in his eyes, but sadness about the necessity does not do away with the necessity. The need to wage war is always regrettable but it would be even more regrettable to allow evil nations to dominate those who are innocent. (City of God, 4.14). When victory comes to the just surely this is a reason for rejoicing (City of God, 15.4).

    Unfortunately wars are often unjust, waged for the wrong reason or in the wrong way. Augustine maintained that it is just to wage war to protect against an unjust aggressor (City of God, 22.6) or to regain rights unjustly denied (Questions on the Heptateuch, 6.10), but few wars are waged solely for such admirable reason. In his own day Augustine could find wars that were waged to dominate innocent nations (City of God, 4.6), wars driven by a spirit of extreme nationalism, wars entered into to distract the populace from troubles at home, wars begun simply because the ruler wanted to make a name for himself. All of these were rooted in a disordered love for things of this world and created more disorder in trying to possess it.

    Even wars begun for the best reasons can become unjust if they are carried on in an unjust way, if alliances are ignored, if non-combatants are not protected, if the thrill of violence destroys any moderation. As Augustine warns:

    “The real evils in war are the love of violence, the cruel passion for revenge, the blind hatred of the enemy, the sometimes insane uncontrolled resistance to attack, the lust for power, and other things of this sort.” — Against Faustus the Manichean, 22.74

    War is indeed a sad necessity in this cracked world. The best that can be hoped for is that it will be carried on in a spirit of charity, aiming not at wreaking vengeance on an enemy but at bringing a peace that benefits both friend and foe.

  120. aubatinuku-N Says:

    This is taukei’s full time job this weekend, he is being paid taxpayer money to do nothing but blog nonsense!

    Sa rauta mada, lai moce!

  121. aubatinuku-N Says:

    I have a message for taukei!

    Be very suspicious everytime you go to work because I am one of your superiors, who does not agree with things here at QEB and go tell your “B”
    that it’s all just a matter of time now!
    SA KELE TIKO NA MANUA!!

  122. taukei Says:

    THE WAR CRY OF JOEL

    We humans continue to want peace and dream of peace, hoping against hope that the prophecy of Isaiah will finally come true (Isaiah 2: 2-5).

    His prediction of the future is indeed encouraging but the cry of Joel seems to be a better description of our present situation:

    “Declare this among the nations:proclaim a war,rouse the warriors to arms! Let all the soldiers report and march! Beat your plowshares into swords,and your pruning hooks into spears; let the weak man say, “I am a warrior!” — Joel 4: 9-10

    The difference in the two passages is that Isaiah is speaking about the world to come; Joel speaks of this world.

  123. taukei Says:

    *WAGING WAR FOR THE SAKE OF TRUTH*

    To say that war must never be waged for the sake of truth, for the sake of justice, is to create the impression that there is no truth, that one belief is as good as another, that I should be happy to embrace any way of thinking that is imposed upon me. It is to imply that there is no such a thing as justice, that there are no “rights” or “wrongs”, that therefore there are no “wrongs” to be “righted”.

    Indeed, it is to imply that there is no such thing as “rationality” and that chaos and disorder is and should be the rule of the day.

    To give away all these things (truth, justice, rationality) is to reduce life in this Hospice, not to a “law of the jungle” (for even a jungle has its own order and its denizens have their own rules of behavior), but to something infinitely worse.

    It is to reduce this world to a place without law, an anarchy in which there is no meaning. But if this is all there is to life, why should we worry about getting through our days with some nobility? In the midst of chaos the last thread of rationality should dictate that we exit as soon as possible. Even oblivion is better than the chaos that is left behind.

    WAR IS A SAD NECESSITY IN THIS CRACKED WORLD. The best that can be hoped for is that it will be carried on in a spirit of charity, aiming not at wreaking vengeance on an enemy but at bringing a peace that benefits both friend and foe.

    People Power! Taukei Power!

  124. taukei Says:

    **********WHEN WAR IN INEVITABLE* AND *WHEN WAR IS THE ONLY MEANS OF ESTABLISHING PEACE, JUSTICE & SECURITY*************

    The War Song of David The Warrior King

    One of the most prominent figures in the Old Testament was a man of war. I am referring to King David. Now there are some disadvantages to being a warrior. David was not permitted to build the Temple of God (2 Samuel 7; 1 Chronicles 17). But nevertheless, David is described in the Bible as, “a man after His [the LORD YHVH’s] own heart.” (1 Samuel 13:14; Acts 13:22). David was a warrior king.

    David testifies to being trained for war by God when he is inspired to write:

    * Psalm 18:34 – “He teaches my hands to make war, So that my arms can bend a bow of bronze.”
    * Psalm 144:1 – “Blessed be the Lord my Rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle”

    After David had fought against the Philistines he was inspired to compose a song of deliverance. This song of David shows us how God trains and directs His leaders to at times wage war. As you read this song of David notice not only how David relies upon God for strength and direction in times of war, but also how David attributes victory to God fighting for him (2 Samuel 22:1-51).

    What can we glean about war from this song of David? The following points can be seen here.

    1. Stability, deliverance, strength, protection and salvation from one’s enemies come from the LORD (22:1-4).
    2. The fear of death in war drives a person to cry out to God and God hears that cry (22:5-7)
    3. God is powerful and brings all the forces of nature to bear in achieving His purposes (22:8-16).
    4. Even though an enemy is too strong for us, no enemy of God’s is too strong for Him to gain victory over (22:17-20). God brings victory over enemies (Psalm 3:7; 9:3; 18; 21:8-13; 25:2; 27; 56:9-11; 59; 60:12; 108:13; 143:9). God’s word gives light in how to defeat enemies (Psalm 119:98,139,157).
    5. The LORD rewards the warrior according to the righteousness of the war. A person involved in a just war with pure motives and goals will be rewarded by God (22:21-25).
    6. The one who wants God’s support in battle must enter into it with humility for God will bring down the haughty (22:26-28).
    7. Righteous war is entered into in the light of God’s word (22:29-31)
    8. Righteous war requires we are led by the LORD, not our own lusts (22:32-35)
    9. The war directed by God will be complete and through (22:36-46)
    10. When righteous war is entered into and won, thanks and worship ought to be offered to God (22:47-51).

    These verses show that God trained David for war and if so then it seems tot indicate that sometimes war is a viable option for God’s will to be done. David was a warrior king to some extent and David, the warrior king, was also a man after Gods’ own heart (1 Samuel 13:14; Acts 13:22).

    When war is inevitable and the only means to establish God’s justice and will, it should be entered into by God’s guidance and resources with total reliance upon Him.

  125. Soul of Fiji Says:

    Aubatinuku….the looney tune from the camp is on this site, one screen open to that garbage of a website his getting all his shit quotes and cut and paste, cut and paste, cut and paste.

    He is another colleague of VB in St Giles Hosp, he is paid to crowd out our usual comments and criticism of the IG with his racist and murderous comments to make our blogs looks like useless gutter blog where it will turn right thinking people away from this site.

    As in the computer world they let virus in (TROJAN) to enter looking perfectly normal until they let loose their venorm and destroy not only this blog but its reputation.

    I repeat she/he is definitely not our group but her/his thinking is similar to muslim extremist….A WOLF in SHEEPS CLOTHING…correcting my earlier comments.

  126. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    Well said, SoF

    bananasinpyjamas has been quiet over Easter.

    Maybe he went to confession and bishop sinful told him to put evil aside so he’s given up his charade of ‘cleaning up’.

  127. taukei Says:

    WAR, STRUGGLE

    No doubt war is a social necessity which nations practice in order to solve their social problems which defy peaceful solution. Human communities have plunged into fights not only for the mere accomplishment of material aims but for the achievement of moral needs as well. Some historians explain that in the absence of war, progress and civilization would have been hindered in some nations.

    Hegel, a pioneer of the study of historical development, for instance, says that change can take place only when there are opposing forces which struggle against one another so that a new product, stronger than the rest, issues from the clash. This view was later adopted by Marx and Engels, and the favour of the Koran in this regard springs from the fact that it offered this view fourteen centuries ago:

    “….. If it were not for GOD’s support of some people against others, there would be chaos on earth. But GOD showers His grace upon the people.” [Surah 2:251]

    Houston Stewart Chamberlain [a British-born author of books on political philosophy, natural science and his posthumous father-in-law Richard Wagner], as well as other racialist “Social Darwinist” thinkers, developed the view that competition between racial groups rather than between individuals was central to human evolution:

    “The struggle which means destruction of the weak race steels the strong; the same struggle, moreover, by eliminating the weaker elements, tends still further to strengthen the strong” (1899, I, 276).

  128. taukei Says:

    WAR: A SOCIAL/BIOLOGICAL NECESSITY

    *Struggle: a universal law of nature*

    War is a biological necessity of the first importance, a regulative element in the life of mankind which cannot be dispensed with, since without it an unhealthy development will follow, which excludes every advancement of the race, and therefore all real civilization. “War is the father of all things.” (Heraclitus) The sages of antiquity long before Darwin recognized this.

    The struggle for existence is, in the life of Nature, the basis of all healthy development. All existing things show themselves to be the result of contesting forces. So in the life of man the struggle is not merely the destructive, but the life-giving principle.

    “To supplant or to be supplanted is the essence of life,” says Goethe, and the strong life gains the upper hand. The law of the stronger holds good everywhere. Those forms survive which are able to procure themselves the most favorable conditions of life, and to assert themselves in the universal economy of Nature. The weaker succumb. This struggle is regulated and restrained by the unconscious sway of biological laws and by the interplay of opposite forces. In the plant world and the animal world this process is worked out in unconscious tragedy. In the human race it is consciously carried out, and regulated by social ordinances. The man of strong will and strong intellect tries by every means to assert himself, the ambitious strive to rise, and in this effort the individual is far from being guided merely by the consciousness of right. The life-work and the life-struggle of many men are determined, doubtless, by unselfish and ideal motives, but to a far greater extent the less noble passions–craving for possessions, enjoyment and honor, envy and the thirst for revenge–determine men’s actions. Still more often, perhaps, it is the need to live which brings down even natures of a higher mold into the universal struggle for existence and enjoyment.

    There can be no doubt on this point. The nation is made up of individuals, the state of communities. The motive which influences each member is prominent in the whole body. It is a persistent struggle for possessions, power, and sovereignty, which primarily governs the relations of one nation to another, and right is respected so far only as it is compatible with advantage. So long as there are men who have human feelings and aspirations, so long as there are nations who strive for an enlarged sphere of activity, so long will conflicting interests come into being and occasions for making war arise.

    “The natural law, to which all laws of Nature can be reduced, is the law of struggle. All intrasocial property, all thoughts, inventions, and institutions, as, indeed, the social system itself, are a result of the intrasocial struggle, in which one survives and another is cast out. The extrasocial, the supersocial struggle which guides the external development of societies, nations, and races, is war. The internal development, the intrasocial struggle, is man’s daily work–the struggle of thoughts, feelings, wishes, sciences, activities. The outward development, the supersocial struggle, is the sanguinary struggle of nations–war. In what does the creative power of this struggle consist? In growth and decay, in the victory of the one factor and in the defeat of the other! This struggle is a creator, since it eliminates.” (Clauss Wagner, “War as the Creative World Principle”)

    That social system in which the most efficient personalities possess the greatest influence will show the greatest vitality in the intrasocial struggle. In the extrasocial struggle, in war, the nation will conquer which can throw into the scale the greatest physical, mental, moral, material, and political power, and is therefore the best able to defend itself. War will furnish such a nation with favorable vital conditions, enlarged possibilities of expansion and widened influence, and thus promote the progress of mankind; for it is clear that those intellectual and moral factors which insure superiority in war are also those which render possible a general progressive development. They confer victory because the elements of progress are latent in them. Without war, inferior or decaying races would easily choke the growth of healthy budding elements, and a universal decadence would follow….

    Struggle is, therefore, a universal law of Nature, and the instinct of self-preservation which leads to struggle is acknowledged to be a natural condition of existence. “Man is a fighter.” Self-sacrifice is a renunciation of life, whether in the existence of the individual or in the life of states, which are agglomerations of individuals. The first and paramount law is the assertion of one’s own independent existence. By self-assertion alone can the state maintain the conditions of life for its citizens, and insure them the legal protection which each man is entitled to claim from it. This duty of self-assertion is by no means satisfied by the mere repulse of hostile attacks; it includes the obligation to assure the possibility of life and development to the whole body of the nation embraced by the state.

    Strong, healthy, and flourishing nations increase in numbers. From a given moment they require a continual expansion of their frontiers, they require new territory for the accommodation of their surplus population. Since almost every part of the globe is inhabited, new territory must, as a rule be obtained at the cost of its possessors–that is today, by conquest, which thus becomes a law of necessity.

  129. taukei Says:

    Offensive war has become a necessity.

    It is incumbent upon us to act on the offensive and strike the first blow, no concern about the odium of “The aggressor”.

    It is unthinkable that differences be negotiated.

    Our enemies must be crushed so completely, that they can never cross our paths again.

    They must be annihilated.

    People Power! Taukei Power!

  130. IslandBoy Says:

    Discussion please folks?

    Reading most of the regular anti-IG posts on SV it is very easy to discern there is a very large amount truth to the “allegations” people make, and a lot of intelligent discussion going on, especially from regular contributors.

    When regular contributors discuss in detail and with reason, national events such as the Qarase case, the MPC tax evasion saga et al. it is very easy to discern these opions come from informed intellligent sources.

    Taken in conjunction with the Roko Tui Bau’s speech to the Pratindhi Sabha (sp?) and Adi Ema gently killing the pretentious fake Akuila Yabaki on Close Up last night, it would make any of the positions they take very hard to defend.

    (Cheap shot please – how can one have such a plummy pom accent pronouncing words like, constitution, racist and way but still, say thing as if it is was spelt cing with a Fijian c, and two thousen for 2000)

    Even for the most rabid pro-IG supporters, many opinions on SV would make them seriously re-think their position.

    Could the increase of posts from Taukei (very silly), JV, Desitiny, Budhau etc, indicate the possibility they are reading SV and beginning to fear they believe us instead of their own propaganda.

    So instead of us feeling like we are under attack, just by speaking our truth, we have unintentionally launched a counter-attack and are devastating their position. Do we dare hope?

  131. ex Fiji Tourist Says:

    IslandBoy

    Yes! We blog against this illegal, immoral chaudhry junta because we know that it has the goons worried.

    We know that people around the world are getting their source of information about the real story of Fiji from these blogs.

    We know that the jaundiced junta read these blogs because they occasionally respond to allegations that are made here.

    We know that foreign embassies read these blogs to support their data collection of the current state of affairs in Fiji.

    Keep up the good fight.

  132. Tim Says:

    @ Island Boy: Spot on! They ARE having second thoughts many of them.
    It still however appears to be from a position of self-interest.
    Some of us made the point (as but one example), that IF Frank REALLY gave a shit about his men, he’d be providing for their future(s) by giving the skills they’ll need long term – such as getting them involved in infrastructural improvements. Guess what – lately he threw them a bone and we see the ‘engineers’ are to be involved in one or two projects. After over a year though, its a bit of a chicken bone – or maybe even an amoeba bone.
    Why this junta will fail, is that whilst they may have tried to look at things medium to long term under some ideological illusion, those they seek to convert and prop them up are only worried about their next pay packet, or next drink of water even. When they get compliance, it not only feeds their egos further so that they begin to actually believe they’re masters of the universe, but they tend to forget what happens when things begin to turn to shit. They ARE turning to shit – its becoming harder than they anticipated – but then they were’nt ever that smart to begin with. They relied on bits of paper that simply registered a ‘pass rate’ – they rank amongst tens of thousnads if that was ever the criteria they chose to operate under.
    If I were a betting man, I’d put money on the fact that the numbers of those that may have originally been in support are diminishing – and faster than they ever thought.
    We’ve already started to see many that hopped on board using WHATEVER excuse in order to justify their laying down with the devil, become disillusioned and then hop off the ‘priviledged’ merry-go-round.
    Long term, those that are currently pulling the strings don’t have any moral OR legal justification to expect they won’t be held to account – carrying on the charade simply minimises their options for getting out unscathed. (note Mugabe is now even freaking – well tuff shit); Musharif can bleat as long and hard as he likes that he had Pakistan’s best interests at heart – he’s now in the hands of a fate he designed.
    There is a perceived notion that India is propping up key players in this junta – thing is, India is the world’s largest democracy. Chodo had better not (for his own good) believe that his priveledged position is guaranteed – it might only be an (Indian) election away before he gets called to account for some of his sins.
    I made a post on TWF recently that exemplifies the predicatability and ideologically driven dogma that characterises this junta – let alone what is all there and plain to see in Frank’s stubborness and rhetoric, and Chodo’s self-interest and survival instinct (in his case – he’ll hijack any ideology or following, in order to carry the charade a little further – if he thought neo-liberalism would allow him greater riches, he’d hop on that bandwagon):
    expect some new catastrophy or threat to national security such as Australia and NZ Navies and Armed Forces exercising with P.I (Melanesian and Polynesian) neighbours that, because of Frank’s chosen course, exclude Fiji. The only threat in reality will be Frank’s paranoia, and those that have falsely come to a conclusion that their best interests are served in propping up this current and pathetic little charade. Freud would have had an orgasm analysing the characters involved in this lot! None of them are actually what you would, or could ever concieve as being Joe Normals. I mean! if anybody ever just wanted to earn a crust, have kids and leave them a decent legacy whilst enjoying their lives and making a contribution; [or not have kids (such as if they were gay with a fag hag, or a propensity to liking pubescent little boys while they dress in black suspender belts and fishnet stockings – despite their priviledged positions – and it ain’t the Missionary one you or I might be familiar with)], they’ll get a “F” for effort (Kaiyuum, Shammen and Gates if you’re wondering). For me, I just consider those try hards akin to the ones I occasionally issue after constipation that eventually end up (after treatment at Moa Point) in Cook Strait feeding the sea life. I suspect all of them would actually be quite welcome here in that capacity – I’d certainly be happy to arrange it.

  133. woilei Says:

    People, exposing the TRUTH about these evil people in this regime IS REALLY making an amazing difference – as you can see they are trying to overwhelm us with silly CUTTING and PASTING from Wikipedia – warai – shades of Shyster !

  134. Tim Says:

    While I think about it: 2 additional points on my last contribtion.
    1. If Franks’ arrogance hadn’t put him outside the “club”. the very things combine military exercises that he’ll probably try to spin as being a threat would recently have benefited flood victims and those really struggling. (still, I guess he was busy trying to weigh up his self-interested options and how he would reconcile any participation with his past rip-offs)
    2. Lest Bubba, the Pistol Shooter, and the Black Suspender Belt think I have any aversion to gays (even Indo-Fijian ones dispossessed of their Fijian citizenship for the sake of safety), I am not. What I object to is your dishonesty and bullshit. There is a lesson for all three, and that is that basic human rights that all three of you should represent, should come without your tax of personal self-interest. It’s going to bite you all in the bum, and when it does, don’t bleat!

  135. Adi Kaila Says:

    Nacava tale, ‘o iratou na ma’ubui Bubu Veilecayaki. Gonei vinaka sara vakalevu na mai wilika tiko eke na dina vata kei na vei dokai baleta na noda bula na Kai Viti kece, Kai Valagi, Kai Rotuma, Kai Rabi, Kai Tonga, Kai Samoa, Kai Niukini, Kaidia, Kaikoso, saga oso et al.

    I know that the majority of the FMF are anti coup but had to go along with it as per their employment. By the time they realised where this was heading it was too late. Most cannot take a stance as I’m quite sure they don’t know quite who to trust in their ranks to truss the pig.

    It’s never too late to save face! Save Fiji & Save yourselves.

  136. Peace Pipe Says:

    The recent comments by different group leaders is revealing the sides each group is in and makes an interestng analysis of the level of support this ig is receiving or lacking. For example the Muslim league said they would not participate in the charter in order to remain apolitical. Similar stance is taken by the Sangam society when the leader reinterated their stance in the Sangam gathering. However it was disgusting to see the Sanatam leader still strongly behind the present ig saying they can’t do anything about it since the usurpers are well entrenched in govt right now. Yeah right of course they can do something about it but they don’t want it to change anything since they are behind it and still think they will gain out of it. Even the Indian communities are drawing the lines on where they stand. As I see the stance taken now is that it is a majority of Catholic/Hindu supported coup. In the Muslim side it seems to be the other sect the Ahmadiya that Shamimi is part of that supports the ig. Could well be that arse is in the same sect. Probably why the League is against joining the charter.

    But what baffles me is that while the majority of those in the army are methodists they surprisingly wholeheartedly back this anti Fijian anti methodist illegal govt. What could be the driving factor for this opposite stance taken by the soldiers? Did the pig brainwashed them properly that they accepted his lies. Or was there a false promise of rewards when all is finished and done? Were they given monetary rewards for their allegiance. Whatever it is it seemed to work wonders since the soldiers just back this ig to the hilt. Even the Fijian body guards are guarding the Indian illegal minister with such fervour as if they really deserve it. I don’t see the army in any hurry to make any move against the pig. Has he really got their allegaince lock stock and barrel. Be interesting to find out.

  137. Mark Manning Says:

    Evil can only succeed if good men stand by and do nothing !

  138. natewaprince Says:

    Sa yali o Destiny,qo sa baci yali o Bigwhore (Karan).Dou vararai mada i loga karasi de sa baci lau samu tiko o Destiny vei baiya.

  139. natewaprince Says:

    Nice reading folks,keep up the blogging.

  140. IslandBoy Says:

    @Tim – Freud having an orgasm????? & Adi Kaila – Kaikoso kei saga oso, you guys made me fall off my chair LMAO. Though the menage a trois with the fishnet stockings is a scary thought.

    @Peace Pipe – over the last two days there have been a couple of letters in the print media denying the Sabha’s support for the IG. Many of my very close Indo-Fijian friends think Dewan Chand is not representing the interests of Sabha members accurately.

  141. LUVfiji Says:

    @IB. Absolutely! Great post, Turaga Nite.

    Ratu Joni Madraiwiwi said in the speech you refer to; “we must bear with their failings…”

    Until when?

  142. LUVfiji Says:

    Its almost 6pm… Do you know where Destiny is ?

  143. Jose Says:

    @ Taukei
    I know you want action against the ig. So do I. I have been for several months. But you are quoting serpent talk.

  144. Budhau Says:

    Peace Pipe on Indian politics wrote, “For example the Muslim league said they would not participate in the charter in order to remain apolitical. Similar stance is taken by the Sangam society when the leader reinterated their stance in the Sangam gathering. However it was disgusting to see the Sanatam leader still strongly behind the present ig saying they can’t do anything about it since the usurpers are well entrenched in govt right now.”

    These Indians are playing their own politics – the Pro-Chaudary and the anti-Chaudary politics – it has nothing to do with whether they are with us or against us or our cause or whether they approve the coup or are against it.

    Just like Victor Lal – it is all about Chaudary. These guys hate Chaudary – that does not necessarily translate into a disapproval of the coup and the IG.

    That Sangam folks, who have been backing the NFP, hate Chodo – more do do with Reddy/Chodo political rivalry.

    Thus the NFP and Sangam are against the charter, or against Chaudary.

    Those Indian labour activists who have had a falling apart with Chaudary – they all go join NFP and start some rival union. The Samgam crowed have been running the rival farmers group against the Chaudary Farmers union for the same reason.

    So that explains why the samgam and the NFP and cane growers group would be against the charter – Attar Singh, Pramod Rae, Bala Dass, Sami guy of the sugar cane growers group etc.

    As for the Muslims league – they always bet on the right horse – when Koya was in the NFP, they were there, when Koya left, they were with Alliance and Ahmed Ali. Last time around the Muslim leadership went out with SDL – forming the Indian wing of the SDL in the last election. While the muslim leadership went with SDL, majority muslims voted FLP (go see the results of the Indian communal seats and see how many people voted for the Indian SDL candidates).

    The Muslims league by not coming in for the charter keeps its door open with the SDL, at the same time Individual Muslim participation in the IG guarantees that the IG will look at the Muslim with sympathy. I am sure this will get them one seat in the senate from Qarase when he wins the next election.

    The Sanatan guys – thats all for Chaudary – the Sanatan leadership does not realize that they are doing their people more harm than good with their public statements – which is perceived as anti-Fijian.

    BTW – you guys seems to think that Aiyaz is Chaudary’s boy – dig deeper.

    As for the Fijians soldiers – they just sold out – those lower ranke soldiers promoted while FB phased out the senior officer. They will stand behind FB.

    Look at Nawalowalo – he thinks he will be the chair of GCC or even the next President.

    There are a lot of Fijians who will sell out.

  145. Budhau Says:

    Peace Pipe on Indian politics wrote, “For example the Muslim league said they would not participate in the charter in order to remain apolitical. Similar stance is taken by the Sangam society when the leader reinterated their stance in the Sangam gathering. However it was disgusting to see the Sanatam leader still strongly behind the present ig saying they can’t do anything about it since the usurpers are well entrenched in govt right now.”

    These Indians are playing their own politics – the Pro-Chaudary and the anti-Chaudary politics – it has nothing to do with whether they are with us or against us or our cause or whether they approve the coup or are against it.

    Just like Victor Lal – it is all about Chaudary. These guys hate Chaudary – that does not necessarily translate into a disapproval of the coup and the IG.

    That Sangam folks, who have been backing the NFP, hate Chodo – more do do with Reddy/Chodo political rivalry.

    Thus the NFP and Sangam are against the charter, or against Chaudary.

    Those Indian labour activists who have had a falling apart with Chaudary – they all go join NFP and start some rival union. The Samgam crowed have been running the rival farmers group against the Chaudary Farmers union for the same reason.

    So that explains why the samgam and the NFP and cane growers group would be against the charter – Attar Singh, Pramod Rae, Bala Dass, Sami guy of the sugar cane growers group etc.

    As for the Muslims league – they always bet on the right horse – when Koya was in the NFP, they were there, when Koya left, they were with Alliance and Ahmed Ali. Last time around the Muslim leadership went out with SDL – forming the Indian wing of the SDL in the last election. While the muslim leadership went with SDL, majority muslims voted FLP (go see the results of the Indian communal seats and see how many people voted for the Indian SDL candidates).

    The Muslims league by not coming in for the charter keeps its door open with the SDL, at the same time Individual Muslim participation in the IG guarantees that the IG will look at the Muslim with sympathy. I am sure this will get them one seat in the senate from Qarase when he wins the next election.

    The Sanatan guys – thats all for Chaudary – the Sanatan leadership does not realize that they are doing their people more harm than good with their public statements – which is perceived as anti-Fijian.

    BTW – you guys seems to think that Aiyaz is Chaudary’s boy – dig deeper.

    As for the Fijians soldiers – they just sold out – those lower ranke soldiers promoted while FB phased out the senior officer. They will stand behind FB.

    Look at Nawalowalo – he thinks he will be the chair of GCC or even the next President.

    There are a lot of Fijians who will sell out.

  146. Tebara Says:

    Taukei take a chill pils … From now on stop resorting to paraweed …. else next time you will find yourself quoting to the brothers in St Giles. Your blog is fast becoming nauseating. Oh and one last note ….enough of continuosly branding bloggers ..’The Enemy’. State your point from your brains ..LOL and stop nit picking from around the globe ….! If its all becoming too much my fren … I can offer my service of transporting you for a bit of R&R to St Giles …!

  147. natewaprince Says:

    Will the real Taukei please stand up,please stand up.

  148. FijiGirl Says:

    I suspect that people who dump large tracts of direct quotes onto this blog, in elongated time slots (like 8:45 – 11pm on Easter Sunday night) either have a brief to dilute the blogs with alot of nonsense (trying to drive away readers), or have no life and no bible study group or grog gang to share their frustrations with. The fact that the content of those postings is so virulently pro-war makes me suspect they have a job to do, and a shift in which to do it. It’s like Budjendra speaking with a different voice.

    My apologies if I am off the mark.

    Great posting, IB. I think the wrong thing to do is to lump all the Fiji Indians into one or even three stereotypes – pro-IG, anti-Chodo, whatever. Modern politics is made up of lumpers (unifiers) and splitters (creating divisions through fear). Chodo is the worst type of splitter, always trying to convince his audience that they are down trodden, that the taukei and land owners are ‘the bad guys’. This is so far from the actual truth.

    Luckily, most indigenous and non-indigenous alike, know from their own day-to-day experience that it’s not so black and white. The people need to be reminded of Chodo’s lies, and that, when left to our own devices, we all get along pretty well.

    What makes me so mad is that we have two populations who are very laid back and basically peace-loving. But as long as self-interested, power-hungry politicians with an axe to grind, like Chodo-the-manslaugterer, are around, dissembling and creating divisions, we will not be able to enjoy true peace, true unity, no matter how ready we are to embrace it.

    He really is an irritating little shit.

    God bless Fiji.

  149. Adi Kaila Says:

    Tutu au dredre
    Basika mai ‘o josaia voreqe

    Na qase ‘o qo
    E taura kecekece

    Na ulukau
    Na polo jiji
    Vatakei na ceke

  150. Budhau Says:

    Peace Pipe – saw that new article you posted about Permanent Residency offered by the IG to former Fiji residents.

    You do know the difference between Permanent Residency and Dual-Citizenship – don’t you. I was was responding to some idiots saying that the IG was offering Dual-Citizenship – BTW, I knew about the Permanent residency that was offered by the IG – I don’t agree with that either, it they want to give permanent residency to investors, or professional types – they should have the same criteria for all foreigners – there should be no special category for Former Fiji residents (Indians).

    Adi Kaila – I like your posts – especially your anti-violence stand – and you are consistent.

    ..and those idiots who were calling me idiot – don’t bother guys, it don’t bother me none.

    I see that the Taukei boy went ballistic again – posting all them articles and religious crap.

    I was just curious – with all these names you guys have for Chaudary, Bainimarama, Aiyaaz etc, how come you don’t have any such names for Ganilau, Nailatikau and the President, and I don’t see the other side getting creative with a name like Qarase.

  151. Tebara Says:

    PR should be means tested across the board for any future migrants into Fiji whether former citizens or other nationals seeking to establish their lives here. And should only be granted if their contribution to Fiji society will enhance economy and development of the nation. The thought of Dual Citizenship should not be entertained. We are a small nation with already a vast number migrating and living abroad. With the history of instability in Fiji government, having future balance of power in parliament be decided on off shore voters could prove to be lethal and damning to an already tattered nation.

  152. Corruption Fighter Says:

    @Budhau – you ask why no names to “diss” Ganilau, Nailatikau and the Pres? Thanks for demonstrating what we all know, ie that you don’t actually read other people’s blogs when you throw your rubbish into the mix. Go back and have a look and you will see that Ganilua, Naulukau and Joe Mirror get plenty of mentions. I suspect this shows you don’t understand a single word of Fijian. Did you grow up in Fiji without learning a single word of the language?
    Well, shame on you Budhau! Shame on you!

  153. Budhau Says:

    Corruption Fighter – If people had referred to Ganilau, Nailatikau and the President as Ganilua, Naulukau and Joe Mirror – I don’t think I have to know Fijian to recognize that there was name calling going on.

    The point was that the widespread use of derogatory names only applies to certain people – there are many in here who have those creative names for some folks and continue to show more respect to others – those others who seem to be the leaders on the other side.

    I see that you did not comment about the high road taken by most on the other side by not getting creative with a name like Qarase.

    As for reading what other people post in here – I do read them – Its great entertainment.

    Who said anything about me growing up in Fiji? – Did you pull out that piece of information from the same place you get your other information from.

  154. FijiGirl Says:

    @ Adi Kaila. Good point!

    Another suggestion for a protest hymn (what the Irish called a ‘rebel song’) might be “Na Vanua Lagilagi”. The words in the hymn go “isa Viti, isa Viti, lesu tale, lesu ni se vo na gauna”.

    Powerful, and appropriate to the situation, nes pa?

  155. taukei Says:

    *IF YOU DON’T KILL THE ENEMY, THE ENEMY WILL KILL YOU*

    Offensive war has become a necessity.

    It is incumbent upon us to act on the offensive and strike the first blow, no concern about the odium of “The aggressor”.

    It is unthinkable that differences be negotiated.

    Our enemies must be crushed so completely, that they can never cross our paths again.

    They must be annihilated.

    People Power! Taukei Power!

  156. Passive Resistance Now! « Fijigirl’s Weblog Says:

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