Lawyer questions Bainimarama’s authority
22 FEB 2008
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Suva lawyer Savenaca Komaisavai says Indigenous Affairs Minister Voreqe Bainimarama is a commoner and has no authority to appoint himself to chair the Great Council of Chiefs.
He maintained Bainimarama’s appointment was “wrong and illegal”.
“For the position of GCC chairman, nomination comes through the office of the President. I don’t see any authority for Frank nominating himself,” Komaisavai said.
He questioned Bainimarama’s motive behind these moves.
“What has the Fijian nation and its people done to be treated this way in such a vicious manner when all their institutions they hold here have been attacked like this.”
Komaisavai and Lautoka lawyer Kitione Vuataki are representing a group of chiefs that were suspended from the GCC following the December, 2006 coup.
They will also be filing for a judicial review next week against Bainimarama’s “illegal” appointment.
“Who is he trying to hoodwink here? We have laws in this country to follow. You don’t just go and nominate yourself, especially a commoner like him,” Komaisavai told reporters at the Suva court.
“What standing does he have to go and elevate himself? He is asking for trouble.
“As a Fijian, that’s wrong and it is a very stupid decision. A politician of high standing, a Prime Minister would not stoop that low to treat Fijians that way. I would have hoped he would have done something wiser than that, stay out of it.
“Since he’s gone down that road, I’m coming too for him and we will meet somewhere at the junction down that road. And let me tell Frank, there’s only one guy standing after that, that’ll be me.”
Komaisavai said the independence and the integrity of Fiji’s judiciary was intact, “which is why we have come for help, for relief on behalf of the Fijian people to the High Court”.
He said the people of Fiji deserved better because the President’s office was not only for Fijians but “for our Indian brothers and sisters as well”.
“You can’t take that away. You must not. It must never happen,” he said.
Bainimarama returned from India today. He will hold a press conference on Sunday where he is expected to react strongly to criticisms leveled against him following the gazetting of a new regulation for a yet to be appointed new-look GCC.
According to the new law, the paramount chiefs of Fiji’s three traditional Fijian political divisions will not qualify to join the GCC.
Only traditionally installed chiefs can be part of the GCC and those who have not delved in politics in the last seven years.
In 2006, Bainimarama seriously challenged the highly revered institution when he suggested that its members then, “go drink brew under a mango tree”.
THE UNCOUTH VORE BAINIMARAMA IS KNOWN TO BE A COMPLETE IDIOT AS FAR AS INTELLIGENCE IS CONCERNED – why did his family allow him to go this far & insult not only the Nation Of Fiji but everything that we revere & hold in the highest regard in our Island culture. His complete lack of respect for the Chiefs of Fiji & our inherent Fijian protocols is abhorrent. If his wife, brothers or sisters do not have the common sense to call him to heel they are just as downright lowdown as he is. What on earth do they as a family hope to gain by letting this fool behave like this. Do they really think that by usurping ‘power’ Vore is bringing some kind of esteem to them – they should really be ashamed of themselves. I’m not related in any way to Vore – Thank You Lord! – Yet my colleagues, friends &
I cringe whenever he or anyone from this illegal wannabee government speaks or comes up with another ‘jeez did I really hear that’ comment. If anyone in his family had any sense at all they should be telling Vore to tone down his behaviour & get the the most humungous sevusevu ready for the SORO of a lifetime. Have you noticed that people who are in supposed positions of power illegally & their families are always smug & arrogant – it’s incredible that imbecility runs in some families isn’t it.
Vinaka Vakalevu Komai for putting this imbecile in his place – how dare Vore impose his boci ways on the Nation Of Fiji.
February 22, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Wow! To think that Nailatikau, Gaunilau and the Mara children have supported this common imbecile! I just don’t understand.
Can someone please tell me, whether Nailatikau owns any land in Bau or Fiji? I somehow feel he doesn’t, only the Naisogolaca Home on Bau which he shares with the family. This place is so run down and not one of the them have the money to renovate it.
It was like their father’s home at Tamavua, the Bank sold it because they borrowed money and couldn’t pay the Bank back.
That could be the reason why Nailatikau is carrying on like he is because really he has nothing.
Even the Mara children, what do they have? The land we thought belonged to their late father could be only belong to him because he was the Tui Nayau. It is then passed on to the next Tui Nayau. Please someone inform me!
I think Gaunilau has land in Taveuni.
I know for sure Ratu Joni and them have land in Viti Levu which was given to their father, but since it has been returned to its people.
They have a place in Tamavua, and a lovely home in Bau.
He is one hell of a chief that has to work hard like us to get to where he is today. The best, him and his brother and sisters.
February 23, 2008 at 8:17 am
A tu na da…..
February 23, 2008 at 9:43 am
Well Ratu Savenaca Komaisavai has laid out a challenge. I hope he’s serious about it and that Vore will take him just as seriously (minus, of course, his reliance on the power of the gun). I would like to see him take on Tu Save man-to-man. Justify all these moves; now that his backbone has been exposed by the Fiji Times – what more could we ask for!
February 23, 2008 at 10:00 am
yellow back qori…. dadaks o vore!
qori sa kele mai nanoa sebera ga ni vosa mai. sa tu nai ‘oro’oro da sa vakabinia yani i matana o chodo:
- dereservation – kaya o krishnamurti ni oya na ‘white paper’ e vakarautaki vei vore kei nona cabinet cracker. qai macala na lasu nei vore ni kaya ni ratou kila ga na CBULshit komiti…. sa tu qo na dei krisda kei cho-da
- gcc – sa matata qo ni veileceyaki vakalevu na lawa vou baleta ni sega madaga ni kila vinaka o vore na i balebale ni turaga i taukei, ka levu tale na leqa ni lawa qo sa lamata tiko mai vakamalua
- fir-ca-da – nodrau taqomaki choda o vore-da kei bole-das, sa boisisiva na lago na dei cho-da
Ena baci sika na weli nei vore-da ena mataka ni ratou sega ni vamoceri koya vinaka oti nona gunuva mena wainimate ena bogi nikua…. da qai vakaraici koya ena mataka ni na baci vela mai
February 23, 2008 at 10:05 am
We let this situation happened. All it needs a huge peaceful march and get the international media to cover the march end of story. Tusave, vakanuinui vinaka, tekivuna ga mai.
February 23, 2008 at 10:27 am
Illegal PM cum illegal Indigenous affairs minister cum other illegal ministerial posts cum illegal Chairman GCC cum jack of all trade and a master of none….blerry ulukau…commoner o iko…lesu tale i Kiuva mo lai muria na nomu i yatu!!!
February 23, 2008 at 11:28 am
vinaka Ratu Save, ni tekivuna mai keimami na qai tokoni kemuni, we need all the high chiefs to make a stand like you, let’s all unite against these lunatics!!
February 23, 2008 at 11:31 am
the laws alone cannot gurrantee safety of the fijian ppl…we hav to physically protect our interests inparticular our resources we say we own…..
the law says ‘a coup is illegal’ but these military arseholes came & removed govt elected by the ppl….now they want to reassure the fijians that no one can take our right to the land becoz its safeguarded in the constitution…..who these idiots think we fijians r.
magaitinnamu dou na sotia……tel ur ballhead legal advisor ….. we’lll kill him …. who the fuck is he to comment on an issue his not even qualified to speak….who the fuck is this cherry….dou veicai …. qo gona na sasamaki boidada dou mai cakava …. qori….kune tu na dina.
oti qo…da na qai sota tiko….keimami kilai kemuni a tarai keimami na leweni vanua….driti, ului se sona…ona mate.
February 23, 2008 at 2:12 pm
NO POINT TALKING TO THE WALKING DEAD IS THERE? By Real Jack on the Fiji Exiles Message Board
There’s no point talking because we are talking to the walking dead – thats whats happening here – there’s no point talking to the walking dead.
the old warriors did it by a practice they called Kuvu tavutavu – where they had the “walking dead” watch as they roasted their limbs and ate it before their eye’s – Tanoa Visawaqa was notorious for that practice – what they used to do was bring in the “walking dead”, chop off an arm or cut out pieces of the thigh or the ears and roast it over an open fire/hot stones as the walking dead watched his body part being cooked and eaten – they chopped off an arm and roasted it from the elbow with the veins still sticking out, as the blood coagulates it dripped – and that blood was drunk and the arm eaten before the person whose arm was being eaten – that person watched as they roasted/ cooked his bodypart, part by part until he was dead and there was nothing left. kuvu tavutavu. walking dead.
thats what “walking dead” means. it was punishment for transgressions of the worst kind – against the vanua.
the warriors just quietly roasted the guy bodypart by bodypart and ate him as he watched alive – cutting bits and pieces off, piece by piece and cooking it and eating it until there is nomore and the guy is dead.
let them go on their way and let them be.
you don’t understand us xtali – when our ancestors laid down the foundations of a house they killed people and blooded the foundations and buried those people in the foundations – when they commissioned a new vessel they blooded it over dead bodies – everything (event) of serious gravity of this magnitude in the vanua is blooded with madrali.
even when we accepted the lotu it was blooded. there are churches in this country whose foundations sit on the skeletons and skulls of those who were blooded – those who stood against the vanua were blooded as the madrali for that upheavel.
what FB is doing will have to be blooded. there will be madrali. his own soldiers and his own regime people are that madrali.
thats just the way it is.
and then there will have to be dranumi – and he doesn’t have any dranumi or power (Sau/Mana) to protect his people – thats why his soldiers are dying at the rate of two and three a week and even his bodyguards are dying and falling into paralysis – and all he can do is run to an Indian hospital for help – that Indian hospital will only be a waste of money.
thats the way of the vanua. the way of our ancestors.
the way of the itaukei.
there’s no two ways about that.
this is now a vanua clean up.
the Church cannot protect FB or his people because what they are doing is not within the realmn of the teachings and beliefs of the Church – it is unGodly – the regime has killed innocent people and tortured many more and broken the law itself. they can pray all they want and talk to their priests – it won’t make an iota of difference – they are playing in the realmn of the old vanua rules and over there the old ways apply.
a vanua clean up is not done in the western way – it never is – because it has its own way – the old way.
when the warriors of old went out to kill chiefs (assasinate) they took dranumi before they did what they had to do because they knew that everything had to be blooded and everything had to have dranumi – drau ni lata damu, drau ni sasaqulu, drau ni uci etc etc etc they knew how to prepare the drau ni kau and what spirits to call for which way to point of the tanoa and where to put the shell and which way to face it – everything about the occult they knew inside out – they called the spirits and prepared its yaqona before they went – they prepared themselves for it because they understood the way of the vanua – they understood its laws and its spiritual order – they understood the consequences of events of that gravity and the “backlash” that comes with it – when you do something at the level whether to disrupt the existing social order or to someone, it will always come back at you in the vanua – those spirits call for their pound of flesh – the highest level of bati were assasins, black magicians and warriors – and as bati they had to know these things, because the system they operated in (the vanua system) was set up that way – the most lethal exponents of these things were the Sau Turaga, the Vunivalu and the Bete/Batileka – who are the highest ranking in the traditional itaukei warrior classes and who led in war.
the restless spirits of those old departed warriors still roam these lands – they haven’t left – even with Christianity. some yavu in this country, at night, you can hear the footsteps of warriors (bati) around the perimeters – even in the day time if there is too much noise in the village these warriors come out and make a racket – sounds of clubs smashed against walls etc etc etc – it still happens even today xtali.
some yavu can’t be crossed or even approached by people other then the blood lineage who are of that yavu because of sickness and deaths that happen to people who are not of that blood lineage when they cross or trepass these yavu.
even today in the Fiji Museum they have to keep some warclubs apart – because the clubs start attacking eachother if they are in sight of eachother – i am not joking about this thing or pulling your leg xtali. its actually something that happens in the Fiji Museums storage room.
today Russian and Chinese Special Forces as part of their training go into that “other world” too – in the Russian Special Forces, its the highest level of their training – with Spetznaz and their Alpha Brigades – so its not something “voodoo” xtali
it exists.
we will only witness deaths and kicking the bucket and confusion in the ranks of the regime – just as is happening now – their plans will not succeed – these guys are playing around with a spiritual order and a social system that has been 3000 years old in the making – and they don’t even begin to scratch the surface on understanding its spiritual depth.
thats why there’s no point talking.
i don’t bother anymore because i know where this thing with regime is going – its heading nowhere, only in confusion and more confusion in their ranks and the vanua clean up
just let it be. what will be will be.
Edited by: real jack at: 2/22/08 8:01 am
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February 23, 2008 at 6:27 pm
Hello, This Real Jack person was one of Voreqes original supporter in the FijiExile Board. He is not to be trusted and is a very inconsistent supporter of anyone or any thing.Real Jack is a bit of a bull-shiter and likes to show people that he is the master of all trades. There is only one true Fijian supporter in the FijiExile Board and that is GDEV now GDEV is the only and most consistent Fijian defender on any Forums. GDEV has been previously recommended for FIJI President or Prime Minister. You can trust him to say and do the Right thing. As for Real Jack, the jury are still deliberating?
February 23, 2008 at 6:56 pm
i benhur – do you men Real Jack was vores underwear – sa va’cava na kuvu?
February 24, 2008 at 4:02 am
Bula anon, i’m sure Real Jack was indeed vores underwear? But they all seems to be returning home to democracy and to our people side? But hey, he seems totally out of sort-whacko!! I’m sure someone must have peed on his breakfast, Tavioka and coboi tea, in the morning.This poor boy is going totally to the deep end. Someone is certainly peeing on the Coboi leaves, outside the garden.Please someone, tell his good mother to stop taking the coboi leaves, from the garden, every morning and to use the regular tea or coffee from the store for the next two months. Xtali may have been the culprit in Real Jacks Coboi leaves phenomenon???????????
February 24, 2008 at 7:57 am
Komaisavai really stuck it to the pig.Good on you mate,you the MAN.
February 24, 2008 at 11:00 am
Why does it matter which side this real Jack is on – what matters is what the guys has to say – you either agree or disagree with.
That GDEV – he ain’t no Fijian supporter – he/she hates Indians.
BTW…the way some of you guys come thru in here – one would think that life might not be that bad for the majority under this regime.
February 24, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Vinaka Tu Save – you are one of the many that that the people of Fiji are looking up to for guidance and leadership during this very difficult time. This is very important for now and then as we would not like how children to go to lengths to try and prove that they were the descedants of the first people to arrive in Fiji.
As Lau lass said above – you start it and we will be there. Rewa and Tailevu will need to lead us – and we will fight tooth and nail to get what is rightly ours.
February 24, 2008 at 5:31 pm
Dina Frida,lets get it on!!!Sa tekivu mera sa qai vosa kudru na veituraga ena noda vanua? Na-tovata=Ratu Naiqama Lalalabalavu; Kubuna=Ratu Savenaca Komaisavai;Burebasaga=Ro Teimumu Kepa, kei ira na turaga levu ena veitikina. Wow, maybe Real Jack has a legit things going?????However, like Frida says, we’re ready to go to town, so lets get it on!!!!!!!!
February 24, 2008 at 6:54 pm
The best way to do this is for all people to come to Suva on a given day where the Police and Army’s manpower are outnumbered. Alert all foreign media to assemble in town on that specific date. Spread the word for all males between the ages 18 and up in all villages in Viti Levu to come to Suva on this particular day.
February 24, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Dont forget when you come to town bring your dakai chichi to fight the machine gun .. …LOL …!!
February 25, 2008 at 3:47 pm
The only people that could organize such a big rally would be the news medias. Do we have any partner(s) in this areas? Or could someone advertise these kind of rally in the local media without been shot at by the FMF people? How about if we write letters to all village heads throughout Fiji? Ok people its a good vision, lets brainstorm on this rally ideas!!!!!!!
March 18, 2008 at 11:16 am
“VORE BAINIMARAMA WANTS TO BECOME THE ALMIGHTY”…..Hmmmmm
Unbelievable but sadly very very true.
Deeply rooted in HERETICAL FAGGOT CATHOLIC DOCTRINES such as elevating Jesus to the level of YHVH (the Supreme Personality of Godhead) and believing in the Trinity.
The anti-Christ Pope also believes he is the Almighty YHVH’s representative on Earth!
March 18, 2008 at 12:00 pm
THE GREATEST COMMANDMENT:
*UNITY OF GODHEAD* AND *LOVE OF GODHEAD*
Did Jesus not say that “MY Father is greater than I”.
Yes.
But did Jesus not also say that “I and my Father are one”.
He did.
But that does not mean that he is equal to Father YHVH.
What Jesus (as a great devotee of God) is saying is that he is one with the Father in love.
He is QUALITATIVELY EQUAL to God the Father, NOT QUANTITATIVELY (for the Father is always quantitatively greater than all).
For the Supreme Lord, the Personality of Godhead, is one (Deut 6:4).
Heretics consider the Son of God (the Firstborn) equal to the Personality of Godhead.
Heretics also believe in the Trinity, not in the UNITY OF GODHEAD.
God is the Spirit: YHVH is the Supreme Spirit. There is none equal to or greater than Him.
Qualitatively, we, as God’s children, are one with Him.
By regarding the Son as equal to the Father, and by believing that God is three persons (!), these heretic Cathoholics themselves believe that they also are (or can be) equal to God Himself!
It thus comes as no surprise whatsoever that this degenerate CATHOHOLIC BANANASMAMAS WANTS TO BECOME THE ALMIGHTY HIMSELF……
It is rooted in his satanic Catholic doctrine of elevating the Son to the Father and worshiping the Son more than the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!